6.08 Patch Notes

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

MCH *does* bring mitigation - it's called tactician. In light party content, MCH will also be greater damage than both BRD and DNC by virtue of having fewer players for the more support-centric physical ranged jobs to buff. In a competent group, MCH *should* fall off against less selfish jobs. If the rest of the group isn't great, MCH would be the better option.

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Psst, hey, closer...
A bit closer...

EVERY RANGED HAVE TACTICIAN. They are named Troubadour and Samba, those are virtually role action. In this equation or ranged utility, MCH brings nothing more.
4 party content is non existant. Only dungeons are light party, trial, savage, ultimate, 24 man raid, Eureka/Bozja.
Only Deep dungeons and Dungeons are 4 man content, DPS don't matter, healing barely matters and most of the dungeon is aoe spam + 3 bosses.

Even in ShB, if you wanted to perform better than a Melee/casters, you needed to overgear the Melee/casters and them to perform poorly.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Psst, hey, closer...
A bit closer...

EVERY RANGED HAVE TACTICIAN. They are named Troubadour and Samba, those are virtually role action. In this equation or ranged utility, MCH brings nothing more.
4 party content is non existant. Only dungeons are light party, trial, savage, ultimate, 24 man raid, Eureka/Bozja.
Only Deep dungeons and Dungeons are 4 man content, DPS don't matter, healing barely matters and most of the dungeon is aoe spam + 3 bosses.

Even in ShB, if you wanted to perform better than a Melee/casters, you needed to overgear the Melee/casters and them to perform poorly.

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Hey...hey, psst...you shouldn't perform better than melee or casters

Beeing worse then SMN DPS wise is hard right now... *cough* *cough* but hey BRD can have Utility, BUffs AND DPS but MCH are NOT ALLOWED to dps

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

Hey...hey, psst...you shouldn't perform better than melee or casters

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Actually stop listening and open your eyes.
Where did I ever mentioned that I wanted MCH to be on par with melees or casters?
My point was that the "mobility tax" was insanely high that if a melee/caster was below a ranged, it meant the player had no idea how to play the job at all.
In any case we already established that mobility tax was a useless joke, especially in content like P1S, P2S and P4SP2, most of the hard content is 95%+ melee uptime.

Again for your pretty eyes:
I want to feel useful when playing MCH, be it damage or utility wise.

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

Hey...hey, psst...you shouldn't perform better than melee or casters

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to be fair, smn at this pojnt is barely a caster anymore and offers great value via rezz, and redmage while more of a caster than smn completly blows most classes out of the water as far as utility goes, so even when dealing the same damage as a physical ranged both would still be usefull...

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

I have to assume the OP doesn't play the game at any level that actually matters - PLD was by far the lowest performing of the tanks in end game content and DRK the highest. GNB and WAR are both in good spots and didn't really need any adjustment. I'll be surprised if the PLD buff doesn't get walked back a bit next patch (as SE is wont to do).

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You can keep assuming that... you know, makes an ass out of you and all that. I play daily, and yes, I play them all. Jokes on you though.

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

You can keep assuming that... you know, makes an ass out of you and all that. I play daily, and yes, I play them all. Jokes on you though.

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You mean like in… Savage content or -?

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Most DPS jobs, they only looked rough when compared to reaper, remove reaper from the list then most jobs fall into where they were.

It's reaper that skews the data for others.

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Idk where you're getting that idea. Reaper isn't even the highest dmg job before this. It was monk. And monk got buffed somehow. I'm very curious how you're coming to this conclusion

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Originally Posted by Delily

More players do dungeons and normal raids than savage and ex content, so calling them irrelevant is just ridiculous. Expert and the level 90 roulette are arguably more important than savage raids.

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From a balance perspective, they are irrelevant because none of that content is tuned remotely close to what the jobs are capable of. Case in point, if you outright deleted Bloodwhetting, TBN, Corundum and Shelltron. What changes? Absolutely nothing. The healers still spend 90%+ of their casts on the ST/AoE nuke.

Even mildly insinuating Expert is more important than Savage is completely laughable. I'd like to remind you they've readily been removing dungeons every expansion. Can't say the same about Savage.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Can someone please explain if DNC is decent now? I know it's not exactly the best DPS but can I now play it without the fear of slowing down the group by a lottt?

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Dancer's rDPS is roughly 6% putting it on near even footing with Bard. It'll still come out very slightly behind overall I believe but it's very competitive. Machinist on the other hand...

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Originally Posted by Averax

So like. A healer who would be happier not healing is probably not somebody who should play a healer, is what that person is getting at. There's nothing wrong with using downtime to dps, but someone who just straight up doesn't like to go out of their way to use their healing abilities shouldn't be playing one.

There's a whole issue right now of healing being so baby mode easy that it's breeding a type of player who feels slighted at the possibility of needing to use a GCD to stop dpsing and heal someone. Green DPS memes have never been more real. Damage just isn't going out, ex trials can be cleared without healers at all.

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Don't hate the player, hate the game. Healing is designed to be 99% spamming your single target and using oGCD's to heal.