P1N Warrior solo kill

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

considering how the number 1 complaint among all healers is the lack of healing required and the second being how there's only 1 dot 1 nuke for dps, this is in fact incorrect and even more of a turn off to playing healer

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Yea.... No.
You can read about all the cure1 whitmages and complaints about big pull's even in Max level content.

I had healers who didn't want me to do "big" pulls in lvl80/90 dungeons, while I played WAR.
At the same time I often didn't had to cast a single healing GCD in these dungeons.

The difference between extreme "casual" healer's and those who read the skill tooltips is hughe.
And it seems like SE is balancing the msq content towards the extreme "casual" playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

considering how the number 1 complaint among all healers is the lack of healing required and the second being how there's only 1 dot 1 nuke for dps, this is in fact incorrect and even more of a turn off to playing healer

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This is not entirely correct, we're on the forums and you always see the same names here it's just a handful of people complaining about it, I see far less in the actual game complain about Tank sustain being too high.
At this point the forums became a pit of complains and nothing else. Story is shit, job balance is shit, outfits are shit, not enough queer gay characters in this game and the list goes on.

In fact, most healers I know like that, it makes trivial content like leveling/expert runs quicker. In savage raids and ultimates there is no issue with WAR/PLD tanks. Heck alot of people favor GNB/DRK there because they bring more damage to the table.

P1N just happens to deal pitiful damage, they should look that the future encounters are not like that anymore.

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Originally Posted by Curisu

Yea.... No.
You can read about all the cure1 whitmages and complaints about big pull's even in Max level content.

I had healers who didn't want me to do "big" pulls in lvl80/90 dungeons, while I played WAR.
At the same time I often didn't had to cast a single healing GCD in these dungeons.

The difference between extreme "casual" healer's and those who read the skill tooltips is hughe.
And it seems like SE is balancing the msq content towards the extreme "casual" playerbase.

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How about instead catering to hyper casuals we improve learning tools so casuals can improve without leaving the game and watch/read a guide online. Just making more trivial content will just enable hyper casuals to stay hyper casual and never improve. Cure 1 especially shouldnt even exist as a Button. It should have been upgraded via trait to Cure 2 long time ago. Same goes to Physick and Benefic 1. The Novice Arena been out of date for so long. The fact that Square thinks this lvl 15 content is enough for a level 80 boosted character is laughable.

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Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

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I agree that we should give players more tools that could show these player's how to play their job more efficient, but I also know that this will not help.

Some people are lazy and only want to experience the story. That's why we have a "easy" mode for solo duty's. But that's not even enough and some are still complaining about it being to difficult.

It is about making the base story accessable to as many player as possible.

Also, in savage/ ultimates you don't get bored as a healer. They are balanced to do that content.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

This is not entirely correct, we're on the forums and you always see the same names here it's just a handful of people complaining about it, I see far less in the actual game complain about Tank sustain being too high.
At this point the forums became a pit of complains and nothing else.

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Ah yes. If something remains badly designed for multiple expansions in a row, and players continue to complain about it, clearly it's the people pointing out bad design who are wrong. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Atreides

At this point the forums became a pit of complains and nothing else. Story is shit, job balance is shit, outfits are shit, not enough queer gay characters in this game and the list goes on.

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"Welcome to the support line. Are you here to praise our services? What? No?! Then you can kindly **** off."

Really, mate. Why would the forums, a place in which to point out problems --let alone more specific sub-topics like Tank Roles, which have even less overlap with lodestone gush blogs-- not be skewed towards complaints?

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In fact, most healers I know like that, it makes trivial content like leveling/expert runs quicker.

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Shifting power from tank's available offensive throughput to tank self-sustain, which healers then make up for with their own Glare/Holy spam, does not make dungeons quicker. That's merely a matter of tuning. Dungeons are faster when there's less enemy HP relative to typical party's practical throughput.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

"Welcome to the support line. Are you here to praise our services? What? No?! Then you can kindly **** off."
Really, mate. Why would the forums, a place in which to point out problems --let alone more specific sub-topics like Tank Roles, which have even less overlap with lodestone gush blogs-- not be skewed towards complaints?


Shifting power from tank's available offensive throughput to tank self-sustain, which healers then make up for with their own Glare/Holy spam, does not make dungeons quicker. That's merely a matter of tuning. Dungeons are faster when there's less enemy HP relative to typical party's practical throughput.

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I'm not your mate, buddy.
What support line are you talking about? Not a single mod even takes a glimpse of the english forums.

I do not say all the complains are invalid, there are nore than enough people that make a good point and opinions should be taken into concideration, what I am saying is that the forums ceased to be a place for discussion and turned into a shitshow where everyone tries to get his own points through.
Players that are content with their kits are also less likely to visit the forums. Also SE uses data to determine whether changes are needed or not, not complaints.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Also what support line are you talking about?

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Official forums, much like a technical help line, tend firstly to be places for noting perceived problems. Forums simply take that a step further with discussion as to how they might be addressed, for which posters will often bring in examples of what has worked well in the past to contextualize or guide that discussion.

That doesn't mean that discussion somehow fails to have meaning, or has failed its purpose, whenever it focuses on negatives. Such is irrelevant; all that matters is that we are clarifying criteria and the like as to provide bases by which to address current and future issues or build upon past and/or current strengths.

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what I am saying is that the forums ceased to be a place for discussion and turned into a shitshow where everyone tries to get his own points through.

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Perhaps we simply frequent different sections of these forums, but I've seen little difference in related behavior from 1.x to now that isn't easily and sufficiently explainable by the lengths at which the perceived problems have been left unaddressed. Unsurprisingly, the longer a problematic trend goes on, the more annoyed people will get by lack of action. That's no excuse to drown out more productive conversations (such as figuring out, through as broad a collaboration as possible, what our preferences such that we can recommend ways of correcting those problems that won't merely put us into an even worse position) with repetitively listed grievances, but, again, neither is that behavior new. It was just as frequent in 1.x, in ARR, in HW, in StB, and in ShB.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

Just because the content is piss easy you want too nerf tanks ? And sry if you die too ground aoes in content that is telegrapht then you deserve it. If it’s not early snapshot weight of the land then you are 100 % at fault and not the tank. Also a tank with 5 vuln up that main tanks also gets oneshot by tankbuster if he’s bad and doesn’t use any cd. Had that happen in the 81 dungeon we’re the tank had 5 stacks and got one shot by the tankbuster.

Final Fantasy 14 has the problem that the content is designed for (I’m sorry for saying that in this way here) monkeys and I say that’s even a insult too the monkeys because I actually needs max 3 button too clear the normal content in this game.

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Ssunny wants everything nerfed. All he ever talks about is nerf this and nerf that. Just ignore him.

P1S has been cleared by 8 people with only WAR.
Maybe WAR is too strong after all.