Your Dark Knight players are unhappy. あなたの暗闇騎士プレイヤーは不幸です

Okay I was wrong, sorry. Doesn't change anything though. DRK is outdated

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Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

Insinuating that the devs are sheltered babies that will flee at the first sign of anything mean is an incredibly self-centered and entitled outlook.

Nobody likes people being rude to them and talking crap to them in pretty much any situation and when you spend a huge part of your life working on something, to have people so flippantly denigrate and insult not only that work, but you personally, guess what it wears on you no matter how tough you like to think you are.
It is very much possible, and actually quite easy, to provide feedback without resorting to rudeness and insults. When you start using insults as the delivery mechanism for your feedback, it quickly stops being constructive criticism and becomes just criticism.
If you want people to listen to you and be receptive to what you are saying, don\\\\\\'t lace it with insults. This applies to life in general, not just here.

Also, in Japanese culture how criticism is provided and the level of direct rudeness that is socially acceptable is very different than in the most Western cultures.
When negative feedback is being presented it is often done in a softer, more round-about way that implies "it

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Firstly, Yoshi-p insinuated that his devs cant take a critical critique, not me although I highly suspect that is the case.

I will give you that culturally they may be more sensitive to western forms of criticism but the rest is bunk. We have given soft criticism for years. YEARS. I’m done softening my tone. I don’t go out of my way to be needlessly vicious but at the same time I won’t tip toe on egg shells. They have wrecked DRK & deserve to hear it loud and clear. I suspect we haven’t heard their vision for DRK bcs I don’t believe the changes are focused around what the players wanted as much as what was easy to raise the skill floor and balance out the tanks long term.

Do you really think any amount of being nice to and whispering sweet nothings into Yoshi’s ear will get him to change LD? You don’t think that was tried? It was.

Like I said, they’ve created the beast. I’ll let them prove me wrong since they have squandered all the good will I ever had towards them regarding DRK. I have a difficult time enjoying the story they created bcs my preferred job is, i believe, a wreck. If they do have a good vision or come up with a good rework I’ll give them praise, I just don’t see it though.

I have never come out and personally attacked the devs. I think they may be thin skinned if they put a job in need of a rework the most on the back burner because their fans are vocal about not liking their work product. I don’t put that in the category of personal attack.

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Originally Posted by Danelo

Firstly, Yoshi-p insinuated that his devs can take a critical critique, not me although I highly suspect that is the case.

I will give you that culturally they may be more sensitive to western forms of criticism but the rest is bunk. We have given soft criticism for years. YEARS. I’m done softening my tone. I don’t go out of my way to be needlessly vicious but at the same time I won’t tip toe on egg shells. They have wrecked DRK & deserve to hear it loud and clear. I suspect we haven’t heard their vision for DRK bcs I don’t believe the changes are focused around what the players wanted as much as what was easy to raise the skill floor and balance out the tanks long term.

Do you really think any amount of being nice to and whispering sweet nothings into Yoshi’s ear will get him to change LD? You don’t think that was tried? It was.

Like I said, they’ve created the beast. I’ll let them prove me wrong since they have squandered all the good will I ever had towards them regarding DRK. I have a difficult time enjoying the story they created bcs my preferred job is, i believe, a wreck. If they do have a good vision or come up with a good rework I’ll give them praise, I just don’t see it though.

I have never come out and personally attacked the devs. I think they may be thin skinned if they put a job in need of a rework the most on the back burner because their fans are vocal about not liking their work product. I don’t put that in the category of personal attack.

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Exactly what I'm saying. DRK is a disaster right now and I don't care how good it can POTENTIALLY be in raids. That all will depend on the rest of your group. If your healers are less than perfect, you're dead. Dps is constantly hugging the floor, you're dead. Healer never seen living dead... we get it. It has no leg to stand on if it must fend for itself till healers get the dps topped off. Plus it's kit is janky and none of it really flows together and also its synergy is garbage with everyone else outside TBN.

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Originally Posted by Danelo

... I don’t go out of my way to be needlessly vicious ...
... I have never come out and personally attacked the devs ...

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Then what pray tell is the very post I quoted in the post that you in turn quoted?

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Originally Posted by Danelo

Unfortunately sqex devs, who have never been to a bar, heard a crass joke, been otherwise exposed to “rough” language and are unable to take harsh but constructive criticism will not see this post due to the gratuitous use of “fucking”, 1 time, early in the post.

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That sure looks like a personal attack. You are not commenting about the work itself, you are directly mocking them as people. Even if done "sarcastically" or if "it was just a joke", the target of the mockery is them, personally, not the work itself. That is not constructive criticism of their work or the game, that is a personal attack. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you asides from maybe advising some self-reflection on your standards for communicating with others.

I am all for people voicing issues they have with the game, I do just that frequently, I just draw the line when people act like asses when they go about it. I'm not speaking specifically about you, you are far from the worst offender, but quite a good number of posters have been going way too far with their supposed "constructive criticism".
There is nothing wrong in being upset and there is nothing wrong with being persistent in voicing that you are, but when you lose yourself in that negativity and turn things into vitriol, you need to learn to stop and dial it back, not just for the good of those you are interacting with but for your own good. That kind of anger and resentment just feeds itself and never results in anything good.

Wait, so I can’t illustrate a point colorfully? All of that says exactly the same thing: the devs seem to not be able to look past criticism that doesn’t pass a purity test. All of them have more than likely experienced those things I’ve listed because they are general life experiences.

I dislike the faux outrage shield being used to not acknowledge the forums’ criticism of DRK. That is the big picture.

If expressing my displeasure with DRK walks a fine line in the realm of sarcasm then so be it. I think your quotes of me above are a far cry from the type of personal attacks you, and I as well, mean to avoid from any future posters; From that perspective, I can see the merit here but, my post was far from something to be worthy of personal offense by the devs.

Hey devs, the majority of the issues were talking about today were brought up in 5.0 (and in one case even 3.0), and now 30 months and literal hundreds of millions of subscriber dollars later, you still haven't communicated any plan or even intent to fix them. You're right, we're being harsh. It's just you didn't know these issues existed which led us to wrongly believe you don't play attention to the forums, and we were safe to vent our frustrations to each other. Your white knights rightly stepped in and reminded us that stuff will probably maybe get better eventually though so you should gift them some sub time or something.

Very Respectfully,
DRK Players

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Originally Posted by Weetzlo

Hey devs, the majority of the issues were talking about today were brought up in 5.0 (and in one case even 3.0), and now 30 months and literal hundreds of millions of subscriber dollars later, you still haven't communicated any plan or even intent to fix them. You're right, we're being harsh. It's just you didn't know these issues existed which led us to wrongly believe you don't play attention to the forums, and we were safe to vent our frustrations to each other. Your white knights rightly stepped in and reminded us that stuff will probably maybe get better eventually though so you should gift them some sub time or something.

Very Respectfully,
DRK Players

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That is some grade A sarcasm XD

What's ironic is that they simplified so many aspects after 5.0 and now DRK has little to no self sustain. Imagine how many players will run into complications when they die to a tank buster or trash mobs in a dungeon. If part of your ToS is already draconian in measure, perhaps you'd better eliminate the chances people start arguments over why you picked a certain tank over another when you inevitably wipe.

Why then is it on the player to give them feedback when their design philosophy for example, already contradicts itself without any player input whatsoever? There's a tank with a wide array of issues that will absolutely cause friction and issues in content if not adressed sooner than later.

The reason I imagine many don't agree with the 'civil' approach is probably because they are absolutely known to cave to pressure. The Viera issue and demand for male Viera must have been the biggest expectation come forward Endwalker. Do you honestly believe they can't fix DRK? They absolutely can but refuse to.

Harassing them and being egregious won't change the situation clearly. However, if a developer tells you to be respectful and polite, then don't expect much to change. I'm shocked this was said by Yoshi P himself. This is a huge red flag.

I'd like all the complainers to also think about how the last years haven't exactly been easy on any of the people working on that game. So if you can tone it down, I think it's the very least you can do.

Except these are issues that go way back than just a couple years. PLD low on dps? Sure, we can fix that. Warrior blinks weird? Emergency maintenance, buff the shit out of them