"job adjustsments" from the live letter speculations

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey together,



All in all, the scholar feels more ACTIVE than ever before, because the fairy is a sidekick and not the active actor. That you only cast Broil is logical. Because these skills are gap sensors unless you level. ^^ I understand many players who have enjoyed passive decadence thanks to the strength of the fairy. However, one must now consider that the proportion of personal responsibility is now greater than in the event that an AI decreases its main competence. Doesn't that make it appealing to say "hey, I did it" as "hey you're in our raid because you only have Eos!"? And think of "Bring the Player" as "Bring Eos" because otherwise SE and could make any content possible with "trust".

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You're making it sound like we didn't control the fairy. We ACTIVEly had to micromanage the fairy to avoid her getting cleaved by bosses, we ACTIVEly used her to make better use of our kit (deploy and sucploy), we ACTIVEly controlled her GCD in between our own, we ACTIVEly embraced to target healing. Overall we ACTIVEly pressed more buttons. Bottom line is Scholar was way more involved than it currently is. We basically lost all of that and more with ShB.
The entire reason why the changes were made was in part because the job was too active and not accessible enough by SE's standards, so saying it's more active now is just incorrect. Maybe if you're talking from a lore perspective but we're talking gameplay here.

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey together,



All in all, the scholar feels more ACTIVE than ever before, because the fairy is a sidekick and not the active actor. That you only cast Broil is logical. Because these skills are gap sensors unless you level. ^^ I understand many players who have enjoyed passive decadence thanks to the strength of the fairy. However, one must now consider that the proportion of personal responsibility is now greater than in the event that an AI decreases its main competence. Doesn't that make it appealing to say "hey, I did it" as "hey you're in our raid because you only have Eos!"? And think of "Bring the Player" as "Bring Eos" because otherwise SE and could make any content possible with "trust".

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What on earth? You used to have to place Eos for best results, you could use targeted embraces to control her healing very actively as a player, choose when to boost her power with Rouse, and use your fairy skills very actively knowing that they would respond when you wanted them. It was a very engaging experience and gave more of a "Hey I did it" feeling than the current gameplay by a lot. You were literally controlling two characters at once, it just feels now like you're the same as the other healers without that layer of control except that some of your ogcds are slow and unreliable.

You are making a really incorrect presumption that the Fairy in earlier versions of the game was a passive decadence and not something you could actively master as a player that brought unique gameplay to the class.

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey together,



All in all, the scholar feels more ACTIVE than ever before, because the fairy is a sidekick and not the active actor. That you only cast Broil is logical. Because these skills are gap sensors unless you level. ^^ I understand many players who have enjoyed passive decadence thanks to the strength of the fairy. However, one must now consider that the proportion of personal responsibility is now greater than in the event that an AI decreases its main competence. Doesn't that make it appealing to say "hey, I did it" as "hey you're in our raid because you only have Eos!"? And think of "Bring the Player" as "Bring Eos" because otherwise SE and could make any content possible with "trust".

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You are so sickeningly wrong for reasons other people have already said that I'm not even going to try to bother. 'Passive decadence'? What? You were controlling two characters at once while balancing a fairly cozy DPS rotation and heavy OGCD healing. SCH was most involved in HW, but was still rather involved and active in SB. Now in Shadowbringers? The faerie is a passive decadence. There's no point to throwing out targeted embraces anymore, you can't swap to Selene to use Fey Wind at just the right time in an optimized environment, and you have -two dps buttons-.

Edit: I don't think you can do targeted embraces anymore. Maybe with <mo> macro trickery, uncertain.

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

All in all, the scholar feels more ACTIVE than ever before, because the fairy is a sidekick and not the active actor.

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Thats what has my knickers in a twist. Lily was the star of the Scholar stageplay, both figurativly and gameplay-ly. We depended on her and she depended on us. Knowing she has barely a supporting role now and we cannot depend on her is seeing your favorite actor ruined by all the drugs and alchol the Producers fed her to keep pushing out performance and then violently thrown aside when she is no longer useful.

I can see where you are coming from, but my point on those still stands. When I first started I was dumbstruck of the possibilites with our flying fairy. Heavensward expanded on this, even Dissipation made me learn the hard way just how much healing twelve Embrace casts did for and how much it hurt when she was gone with me desperatly trying to heal with Succor.

A ton of the changes was seemingly for convenience. But if anything, the lessend impact of Lily in favor of Seraph and the Scholar being loaded down with all the healing then the word decadence is correct, but I find myself have become decadent and lazy on my healing throne:

Healing? Plop Recit+Excog on the tank and then Sacred Soil and dont worry about any healing in the near future.

Damage? One button for single-target, another for aoe.

Our numbers are probably higher than ever, especially in the ease of how I achieve either discipline of hurting or healing. But I don't want this comfertable lifestyle.

Old scholar was rife with incoinveniences. And it's the same incoinveniences I worked with and around. It was a hard meeting with Scholar, I was stuck in the skill basement for a long time. Then I left the basement and started from the killing ground floor. As I rose, I realized at one point there was no skill ceiling. Just endless blue expanse in every direction and that I'd grown wings.

Those wings are nowhere to be seen in 5.0.

I should clarify too that my complaints about Embrace stems from that I want all this massive healing I have on my hotbar to be transferred to Lily. I want Embrace to heal for about a Physick but only because I don't have anything as powerful myself that isn't either incredibly expensive to cast or costs precious resource.

The Black Mage conundrum can indeed be solved by manually placing Lily near him but this brings back the two problems:

* It was more efficent to target the black mage, pop Rouse and then Embrace and Lily would get as close as she needed when I was on the opposite end of the arena than trying to manually place something on the space inclined by the camera angle.
* And when I do get her close enough, what are BLMs at now, 90k? Then Lily heals for about 5.5% of their maximum health which will not pull them out of critical anytime soon.

So choices are either to shout at them to get closer, run across a boss arena or use Rescue. And two of those interrupts their focus on doing damage and one puts me in danger when I could be sending the needed heal with Scholar Fairy Mail. It's just a a lot of things I found central for the job taken away with nothing else to shift focus to.

The accusation that "You only want to be OP again" is one that I've gotten before and that I'm afraid I don't recognize myself in as I never competed for spots or dastardly cut WHM's hamstring to get a lead in a race or fed AST a poisoned apple. If by OP you mean "endlessly potential to have fun with a varied jack-of-all-trades skillset that works both as a healer, debuffer and dps. One who is alright in everything, but excellent at nothing" then yes I would like to be OP again. Because I'm afraid that's all I know I was before. I don't have WHM or AST leveled to know the difference. I just know my Scholar has a massive gaping hole where it's heart used to be.


When you dig a hole in a job you're supposed to fill it with something new and engaing so we dont even notice there was a hole, but now SE has dug a hole size of a swimming pool in our front garden and then just up and left. You can still see the spades and the wheelbarrows they used to move the earth, but there is nothing. No swimming pool or viper pit, just a whole lot of nothing.

The problem with sch ( old more then new) being op is simple. Astro could never ever compete with sch as a shield healer so you only had the decent choice between astro and whm and with whm not having any group utility expect wings now, whm whas always doomed to fall behind astro. And yes sch had to manage the fairy to Ben optimal but you can’t deny that the fairy’s ogcd were too strong (aoe Regen, magic dmg reduce, % heal increase ) and the Selene buff that want that strong but still did decent number in openers and with StB we got chain and other neat tools (that were weak at the start but they buffed it. They need to delete astro shield stance and make a new shield healer that can compete with sch. It isn’t that hard

And in advance sry for the grammar mistakes but my Handy auto correct is annoying.