Option to unlock content without mandatory MSQ

What does the hardware it's being played on or the fact it's an mmo have to do with the way the msq is forced upon you? I highly doubt ff15 is designed that way, I would wager it's closer to 7 in mixing combat and story than it is to 14's msq

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Originally Posted by sauc

Are you saying that people who play the game simply because it has the final fantasy name would quit in droves if it was optional? Seems like a rather petty reason. Even if it did I doubt it would make the number of people who quit greater than the number of people the game would keep thanks to the msq. I don't think it's a secret to anyone that the msq and the extremely slow combat at the start are huge player retention killers. Those 2 things are among the most repeated criticism of the game.

But as I said already: potion skip. That alone likely tilts the pros over cons to square. Well that and they are likely unable to change it even if they wanted to.

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No, what I am saying is that if the game lost focus on the story, and if the playerbase only increased significantly because of a large influx of players who don't care about the story, the character and nature of the game would change such that, yes, a large portion of the existing fanbase would likely leave

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Originally Posted by sauc

What does the hardware it's being played on or the fact it's an mmo have to do with the way the msq is forced upon you?

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That alone is enough.

If you don't like the MSQ, then you should probably find another game. It's not being forced on you, nor are you being held at gunpoint to play the game.

And like I said in my previous post. FF games tell stories first and foremost and it works around that. It's why there's an MSQ to begin with. It's to continue the story of the Adventurer turned Warrior of Light / Champion of Eorzea.

You know what you're getting from the name. You know what to expect. Not SE's fault that some people decided to jump in blind and complain that it's not like <Insert other game here> despite the fact that plenty of people continue to play it, being rather content with how it is (in broader strokes, at least)

You don't care about the story for whatever reason? Go play something else. SE isn't going to change their main selling point because a vocal minority is upset.

EDIT: I would've suggested "skip potion" but then you'd still have to play story and it's clear just how terrible an idea that is to you. Actually having reason to do stuff? Heresy.

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Originally Posted by dangadget

No, what I am saying is that if the game lost focus on the story, and if the playerbase only increased significantly because of a large influx of players who don't care about the story, the character and nature of the game would change such that, yes, a large portion of the existing fanbase would likely leave

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It wouldn't lose it's focus, all of it would still be there.

Agree to disagree.
If the story became entirely optional, freely and with zero investment by the prospective player, I believe that the game would start to lose focus on the things that make it special due to ill conceived attempts at catering to the other things the not-actually-a-Final-Fantasy-fans would want.

No, it will not happen, Final Fantasy focuses on story. /thread

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Originally Posted by Kenky

That alone is enough.

If you don't like the MSQ, then you should probably find another game. It's not being forced on you, nor are you being held at gunpoint to play the game.

And like I said in my previous post. FF games tell stories first and foremost and it works around that. It's why there's an MSQ to begin with. It's to continue the story of the Adventurer turned Warrior of Light / Champion of Eorzea.

You know what you're getting from the name. You know what to expect. Not SE's fault that some people decided to jump in blind and complain that it's not like <Insert other game here> despite the fact that plenty of people continue to play it, being rather content with how it is (in broader strokes, at least)

You don't care about the story for whatever reason? Go play something else. SE isn't going to change their main selling point because a vocal minority is upset.

EDIT: I would've suggested "skip potion" but then you'd still have to play story and it's clear just how terrible an idea that is to you. Actually having reason to do stuff? Heresy.

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No I definitely didn't get the idea of the other titles I've played that I was getting an extremely long unavoidable story that's mostly cutscenes and talking to npcs unless I pay up. I remember getting into alot of random battles from walking around in the overworld ''mindlessly'' killing as you put it. Did you know games like guild wars and wow have msqs as well? You can read all the quest text and watch cutscenes if you feel like it.

Let me ask you a question, what do you do when you've finished the msq? If you don't like doing mindless buisness then I assume you don't raid, roulette,hunt,do the 60 fate grinds,gather craft and all of that.

And I do have a reason to do stuff. I raid for example because it's fun and that's my reason. I'm not doing it because I feel I have an obligation lorewise.

Also the fact that the potion even exists means it's not exactly a ''vocal minority''. They saw the profits they could make off of it

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Originally Posted by Kenky

That alone is enough.

If you don't like the MSQ, then you should probably find another game. It's not being forced on you, nor are you being held at gunpoint to play the game.

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I've skipped almost the entire MSQ for various reasons, and yet I'm still around because I've found things I do enjoy. My non-story watching self has also spent far too much money on this game over the years. I can't imagine SE appreciates people being so quick to tell others that they shouldn't play XIV simply because they don't enjoy one facet of it.

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Originally Posted by dangadget

Agree to disagree.
If the story became entirely optional, freely and with zero investment by the prospective player, I believe that the game would start to lose focus on the things that make it special due to ill conceived attempts at catering to the other things the not-actually-a-Final-Fantasy-fans would want.

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I doubt they would suddenly fire all of their writers or suddenly put them on designing murderhobo sidequests but I guess if you feel they might then there's not much left for us to talk about.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I've skipped almost the entire MSQ for various reasons, and yet I'm still around because I've found things I do enjoy. My non-story watching self has also spent far too much money on this game over the years. I can't imagine SE appreciates people being so quick to tell others that they shouldn't play XIV simply because they don't enjoy one facet of it.

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I can't imagine SE being told that the main facet of their game is unwanted, so it goes both ways I wager.

On top of that, you know the "bits to round it out" i mentioned? The raids, the hunts, FATEs and all that? Well, welcome to the "rounding out" part. I enjoy the story and I enjoy the game, so I play every part I can. I'm not the one trying to get a game plenty of people to enjoy to change its main thing, because of whatever reason you may come up with.