Alliance Raids Fix. Show your support.

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Originally Posted by Neoom

So me seeing people being 80 and load in naked are not the reason I get lvl50 raids? Sure :/ I don't even remember the last bonus I had, and usually everyone in my party is way over 60..

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That's not to say people don't cheese it. I'm just suggesting that you check your party each time you load in and you'll see you don't have a party of all 70's and that there are usually 50's and 60 in that group. I've made it a habit of checking cause I'm curious. So the I don't get Orbonne line doesn't really hold water for a good many of the duties for Alliance Roulette. And that's just my party not counting the other 2.

I just wished they would do the best thing, give us a roulett for every level/raid, 50/60/70 is already annoying enough and even more gettin CT all the time, let us choose...

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

2) Make Alliance Raids only available to players who unlocked that entire raid tier for their level. So no matter what level you are, if you're queing for MSQ Alliance you'll need all 3 CT raids to unlock it. For Standard Alliance, if you're 80 you'll need all raid tiers (60-current) to unlock the roulette. I think this is pretty fair, considering other roulettes have restrictions like this.

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Guess Im a bit confused by this one? So you can only do alliance raid if youve all 3 raid tiers unlocked, but that would mean that if you wanted to clear Rabanaster or something, youd have to manually queue for all 3 tiers of before you can use the roulette? Wouldnt this discourage people from clearing content and would have to sit in queues for specific raids to actually be able to use the Alliance DF? Itd also shrink the pool of players who want to do alliances and potentially increase queue times.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

3) Standard Alliance Raid roulette to be locked to the minimum ilvl requirement of THE LEVEL YOU QUE WITH. If you que as lvl 80, you must meet the minimum requirement for Copied Factory or you can't participate in the roulette. Level 70? Minimum for Rabanastre. Level 60? Minimum for Void Ark. No more manipulation of the system. Period.

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Also whats with the wierd queuing abuse thing? Can someone explain this to me?

Its about the roulett, you unlock P1. You clear it, you get P2... and so on. You can que it for loot if you didnt get any or when its already unlocked. Only if you want to use it for leveling you have to have all 3 open.


It used to be like that, newer players wont remember but you would only get your Tiral and Lv 50 roulett after unlocking EVERY dungeon within it. I despise that change a lot. (It could have been esily set so it only asks for stuff you can have at your progress)

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Guess Im a bit confused by this one? So you can only do alliance raid if youve all 3 raid tiers unlocked, but that would mean that if you wanted to clear Rabanaster or something, youd have to manually queue for all 3 tiers of before you can use the roulette? Wouldnt this discourage people from clearing content and would have to sit in queues for specific raids to actually be able to use the Alliance DF? Itd also shrink the pool of players who want to do alliances and potentially increase queue times.



Also whats with the wierd queuing abuse thing? Can someone explain this to me?

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For the first, a lot of players would only unlock the first raid of a tier, which is usually an easier one, then que for roulette. That means everyone is now stuck with that one raid because if you haven't unlocked it, you can't que for it. Other games, like Neverwinter, will place you in any duty you have the ilvl for but its not so here in FF.

For the second, the ilvl requirement is an old cheese. People would purposely lower their ilvl to get certain raids, but que at max level for max level rewards. If you're forced to be the minimum ilevel for the raid associate with your level, that will help negate some of that.

Hope that cleared things up a little?

You can't force players to do something, many just won't run the roulette at all and that's a shame. If you want to run the higher level raids just que for them. I get thrown into copied factory and lately the ivalice raids pretty often when I que up on a high level job, not as often as CT mind you but you will naturally have more players with access to only lower level raids so that is about right.

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Originally Posted by SonjaRampage

You can't force players to do something, many just won't run the roulette at all and that's a shame.

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I'd rather they not do the roulette because the alliance raids will take 45 minutes than have players forcing the 2 easiest Raids because they take 15 minutes.

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If you want to run the higher level raids just que for them. I get thrown into copied factory and lately the ivalice raids pretty often when I que up on a high level job, not as often as CT mind you but you will naturally have more players with access to only lower level raids so that is about right.

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I'd expect LotA, ST and WoD to be roughly equally common, but LotA and ST seem to be far more common than WoD. Factor in that some player may be completely skipping the Machi raids (and intentionally planning never to unlock them) and only recently unlocking the the Ivalice raids because of the level 80 relics (which explains the sudden increase in AR dropping people into Rab, Rid and Orb post 5.25) and it becomes likely that the NA and EU Alliance Roulettes are being rigged to favor LotA and ST.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

This idea was to separate the Crystal Tower Raids ONLY. The other raids would be lumped together as per usual. And as far as I've read, they are making the CT raids canon (due to the ShB storyline being directly tied to them) as part of the changes to ARR and will likely be MSQ. So this part of my suggestion might actually happen!

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To be clear, the raids have always been canon. They definitely happened in the intended version of the storyline and will be referenced in things such as the lorebook and Tales From bonus stories. The game just bends around to accommodate people who aren't sticking to that canon timeline.

Other optional raid series are likewise necessary to canon for Shadowbringers, but are not being required in the same way. Presumably this is because they're more "background information" but they're planning to directly build on CT's events. That doesn't negate their canon status, just the urgency of the player having seen those events play out in their personalised timeline.

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Originally Posted by Neoom

So me seeing people being 80 and load in naked are not the reason I get lvl50 raids? Sure :/ I don't even remember the last bonus I had, and usually everyone in my party is way over 60..

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They're certainly a possible reason why you got the low level raid, but even if they didn't do it you might have been pulled down by a Lv50-59 player in the party anyway. Or even 60+ and not through HW or not having unlocked the Mhach raids.

There's also a chance - small but genuine - that the underdressed Lv80 player might have queued with the right gear but then joined the duty wearing something else. I always have a few "glamour" outfits that are actually real equipment on one of my battle classes. It could happen.

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Originally Posted by Ursa_Vonfiebryd

For the first, a lot of players would only unlock the first raid of a tier, which is usually an easier one, then que for roulette. That means everyone is now stuck with that one raid because if you haven't unlocked it, you can't que for it.

For the second, the ilvl requirement is an old cheese. People would purposely lower their ilvl to get certain raids, but que at max level for max level rewards. If you're forced to be the minimum ilevel for the raid associate with your level, that will help negate some of that.

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Requiring Crystal Tower should at least help somewhat with this, if people have to at least unlock all three raids - you could also make an argument for raising the minimum ilevel for the roulette to match World of Darkness (if it isn't already).

I don't think they're able to implement a "scaling requirement" under their current system though. It seems like they just set that one minimum as a fixed number and can't apply anything higher. I assume it's because the system was only built with ARR in mind and hasn't adapted well to the expanded level ranges.

The question is whether they can fix it or whether it's too deeply embedded and they're stuck with it.

Honestly, it should just increase the minimum iLvl to whatever the lowest of the set is at your level (eg. Level 60-69 minimum ilvl matches Void Ark)
...so you might not get the hardest thing or have the biggest iLVL jump to deal with, but at least it will be harder to cheese.

Bad point, it’ll just turn into castrum where people just leave, wait their penalty time and requeue.

Kris, that would be a lot of requeuing though, and I don't believe people would have the patience even for that, plus all the time lost from trying, so might not be so bad after all.