Things to think about before you call someone "Bad"

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I only get mad at bad players when it affects me. It's one of the big reasons why I absolutely abhor enrage timers. Heck, it might be the only reason I hate enrage timers. I just play the game to get in there, kill stuff, and get loot. I don't care what someone's skill level is as long as they don't get me killed. But the moment you start infringing on my time and wasting it by dying or doing so low it triggers the enrage timer--you better be prepared for a talking to!

I don't even mind slow tanks/healers in 4 man duties. New to the game? Pull one group at a time. I don't care. I just want to play the game and not die. Don't get me killed and we all kosher. I don't care if it takes longer. I play to have fun. Pull slow!

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And enrage timers, unless I'm mistaken, are only in Savage and EX trials, so in casual content you don't have to worry about them.

Sure there are dps checks, but they're usually not all that far into the fight, so if you wipe because you didn't kill Omega's monitor thing, it's okay it's not like you got to the very end of the fight and have to restart.

I'm glad enrage timers aren't in casual content, but for the difficult content they're pretty much required or else you could just stack a lot of healers and only red mages for dps and win your way through every fight via attrition.

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Originally Posted by Kaldaka

Kicking for failure to meet other standards isn't listed under reasons to kick, to my knowledge doing so is reportable (Or at least used to be).

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You can kick anyone for any reason under the nebulous term "difference of playstyle."

Why should someone be penalized 30 minute because they got paired with a healer who has no idea what they're doing, refuses to listen to any advice and simply doesn't care? Since you like to throwing around "reasonable person." What reasonable person attempts something with no basic understanding of what they're doing, then expect everyone else to cater towards them? How dare we hold people to such inflated standards as "this is a stack marker. You stack on it." Blasphemy!

Do any of these change the fact that they may in fact be bad?

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

1. Are they a new player?

2. Did they recently change their UI/Binds or both?

3. Are they having a bad day or are they feeling sick?

Could be any of these things or more preventing someone from performing well. and to be fair most of the time I find it is.

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I agree with you on point one. This game is one that is easy to pick up, but hard to master.

However, on the last 2 points, it's completely on the player who may or may not be "bad". It's a player's responsibility to make sure the UI, Binds, or whatever hotbars are sorted out and ready to go before queuing for a duty. Also, if they have personal troubles or don't feel healthy enough, that is his/her problem for playing during such times.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

And enrage timers, unless I'm mistaken, are only in Savage and EX trials, so in casual content you don't have to worry about them.

Sure there are dps checks, but they're usually not all that far into the fight, so if you wipe because you didn't kill Omega's monitor thing, it's okay it's not like you got to the very end of the fight and have to restart.

I'm glad enrage timers aren't in casual content, but for the difficult content they're pretty much required or else you could just stack a lot of healers and only red mages for dps and win your way through every fight via attrition.

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There are 2 casual/non-8 man raid duties that I remember that have "enrage" timers.

One is the last boss of Haukke Manor (Hard), although it happens very rarely since most players are overgeared. After absorbing Lady Amadine and doing a few Beguiling Mists + Fire IV combos, the boss will eventually pick a random party member as a target for Fatal Allure. The Fatal Allure will instantly knock out the hit member and the boss will do major room wide Blood Rain. Should the party survive, she will keep on using Fatal Allure on the other party members until the party wipes or the party somehow manages to beat the boss.

Another is the first boss of Dun Scaith. If the party takes too long to beat the boss, the entire fighting arena will be covered in Void Death IV squares. Once that happens, there is no avoiding the next Void Death IV unless the party beats the boss.

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Originally Posted by Jimmymagic

After all these posts, why exactly do any of you 70 levels play? Whats the incentive im skilled at running 200 instances so you should too? What? Wow a game with endless masters and no students....hmmmm.

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Why do you need an excuse to be lazy and bad at one of the easier MMO's out there? Level 70's play through content obviously to carry the people that can't even do a basic rotation or figure out what a stack marker means after the 100th iteration it's been used in dungeons.

Wow, what a player ladies and gentlemen. We have a real winner here.

Lvl 56, huh?

Someone take him through The Vault on minimum ilevel as his prize.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

1. Are they a new player?

2. Did they recently change their UI/Binds or both?

3. Are they having a bad day or are they feeling sick?

Could be any of these things or more preventing someone from performing well. and to be fair most of the time I find it is.

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1. If they've cleared Shinryu/Tsukuyomi/Exdeath, they're no longer a new player. By that point, they should know what certain returning mechanics are (stack marker), as well as have a basic understanding of their rotation.

2. Then they should practice before entering an instance. It's what I do, especially when I pick up a new Job.

3. I don't see how having a bad day could negatively affect your playstyle. Even if I'm having a bad day, I still put in the effort to get through stuff (I'm just easily agitated by everything now). If I'm sick, then I'm in bed.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

If I'm sick, then I'm in bed.

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To be completely fair, sometimes when one is sick a distraction is more useful than rest. And if that means underperforming then I personally will stay out of higher end content. Normal raids and various roulettes are typically fine though. I can't speak for everyone though, this is just how I've gone about it before. Again, sometimes a distraction is the best medicine.

Can I call the Mentor-crowned crash test dummies who somehow die in LotA bad?

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Can I call the Mentor-crowned crash test dummies who somehow die in LotA bad?

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I call them the "doorbusters" because of department stores.

"Attention E-Mart Shoppers, we have a clean-up in aisle LotA. Some kid came back and knocked all of the doorbusters off the shelf and onto the floor. Thank you and once again, we appreciate you shopping at E-Mart."

I one rule should be are they having bad lag day. With all ddos attacks that could be reason ones is playing bad. I see ones always lagging in fights. Like other day lag from ddos attacks was causing my skills to pause for few seconds or caused them to be canceled.