How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

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Originally Posted by Nyvara

I totally want to make this my Sig!

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I...I don't know if you are asking for permission...or weren't serious...or what. So I guess I'll just say....go for it?

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Parser WITHOUT limitations are toxic. You need to put a lot of limitations to make it safe. I think now some like:

- The option to hide your numbers to other players (It appear as "Hide" or something in other people parser).
- Game masters who actually look at this and not fall in the "different playstyles" bullshit, because in this case does not apply, and punish players actually abusing it.
- Only available on premade parties and dummies.
- Heavily pursue any party finder with "Only XXX parser and must be active not hide or kick".

You probably will need a warning every time you activate it, saying you must not use it to harass people or exclude them for not having X number, or demanding activate it, and you can be banned for doing it etc, etc. All with red letters.

Games communities are too much immature to handle this tool properly. So they need be watched like kids.

I rather don't give a gun to a monkey.

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Or yanno, just make it so that only your own numbers appear and nobody else's, because you don't need to know what everybody else is doing. You should be focusing on your own performance. If a raid group wants to make it a requirement, then they can ask for screenshots or something.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The only time generally anyone with a parser looks at it is after 1) a clear or 2) a wipe. After a clear to see how they stacked up or after a wipe to see where they need to improve. I can't think of anyone who really pays attention to it mid fight.

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ACT - the leading third party parser tool for FFXIV, has an ingame overlay, so it blends right in seemlessly over the game...so yea, people monitor it constantly during combat. Such as this.

I really rather people not see how garbage I am because I already know I'm garbage. >> At least without a parser, they can't tell 100% just how awful I am. |: I don't mind if I could see my own or if people could see their own, but I don't like other people seeing my over all performance number/statistics wise and then judging me and comparing me to others based on that. I think it has a lot of potential for bullying/harassment/exclusion/little-to-no room for growth if consistently excluded, etc.

As far as the skill gap goes, I would go full on Sonic and put a grade at the end of each instance, along with the requirements for the next grade. A small thing but it lets people know where they stand and pushes them to get better. You could even make it a collectathon type thing (again like Sonic) where getting the highest grade (synced of course) gets you a token and when you get enough tokens you can get special glamours and mounts and such

It's like, most of the people here have never played another mmo or only played WoW.

People being "toxic" is usually based off the game and the community, the most "toxic" mmo hands down is EvE. That community is literally known for being extremely "toxic" and guess what? They don't parse there like that. This game wouldn't create a truly "toxic" community because there's no real competition and 90% of the player base is tumblr in action they just wouldn't gather here. This type of mmo just isn't what truly toxic people are looking for and allowing parsers isn't going to change that. Yeah someone might say your dps is low and if it is, then you need to fix it, that's not being toxic.

Other mmos that have a pretty "toxic" community (by a typical xiv player's standards) Bdo, Archeage, Hello Kitty Online and Aion and they don't parse there either.

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Originally Posted by Maeka

What's to stop people from using the parsing in places like the Leveling Roulette?

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People that parse, parse in leveling roulettes, for me personally my parser is always open, I parse every where. A lot of people I know that parses, parse every where it's usually left open from when they needed it or they just keep it open. However in places like leveling roulette if we wipe we don't care because 99% of normal mentally sane players aren't expecting perfect play in low tier/leveling content, we just aren't. And for the 1% of insane players that are, that's just their mentally and it's never going to change parser or not.

Parsing would, however, make things objectively worse in places where parsing is not really needed.

What's to stop people from using the parsing in places like the Leveling Roulette? I mean, if we wipe on a boss, am I going to be told I wasn't DPSing enough as a healer? Or maybe I'm trying to learn how to play DRG in the lowbie levels and I'll get berated for not doing good DPS?

I don't want that crap in my FFXIV.

I will never understand why DPS can't be held to the same accountability as tanks and healers. At the end of the day, that's the main issue. 90% of the DPS want to be lazy but those same folks will berate the tanks and healers when obvious wipes that they cause happen.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

I will never understand why DPS can't be held to the same accountability as tanks and healers. At the end of the day, that's the main issue. 90% of the DPS want to be lazy but those same folks will berate the tanks and healers when obvious wipes that they cause happen.

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Well you see...

Hypocrisy, thy name is the FFXIV Community. Upon one hand you placeth the burden of performance on the shoulders of guardians of the frail and the soothers of the wounded. Upon the other, you really don't seem to give two shits because at least the boss died, right? I mean, who cares if a 15 minute run ended up taking 45 minutes because the DPS wanted to sandbag and--deep breaths, deep breaths, go to your happy place.

Phew. I almost relapsed.

It's because this is one of the most backwards, care bear communities I've ever seen. No one takes responsibility, limpwristing is encouraged, expecting the barest minimum is elitist, and the individual is always more important than the other 3/7/23 people in a group.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

I will never understand why DPS can't be held to the same accountability as tanks and healers. At the end of the day, that's the main issue. 90% of the DPS want to be lazy but those same folks will berate the tanks and healers when obvious wipes that they cause happen.

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They are though, plenty whinge about DPS.. seen plenty in game we didn't kill a boss so someone whinges do more dps.

If something doesn't drop quick enough or hit an enrage people will whine plenty about the DPS, not like Tanks Healers can't be lazy tanks not using GCDs & healers only DPSing or only Healing.. every role gets whinged at when stuff goes south.

Further to Topic, we don't have chat in pug Feast for a reason. I'd like have a parser in-game but YES it would bring a whole new wave of toxicity & for those who compare it to current parsers difference with official verse un-official is that you talk about peoples numbers & you can get banned so it keeps people from being full blown toxic that are using parsers right now.