Please fix tank accessories already, it's been 3 patches

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Well strength wasn't supposed to be on your accessories anyways, and frankly if it was me, I'd wipe it out altogether and lock out any abuse cases as well.

You'll adjust to it.

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Strength not being on tank accessories does nothing to actually address the problem as a whole, and adding the piddling amount they got was a slapdash solution to stop players from imitating a meta that only works for well-organized teams of skilled players. Theoretically removing strength gains would only serve to widen the disparity between crafted and raid gear, not shrink it.

Of course, the next logical solution would be to stop tanks from melding strength altogether, then you certainly solved the problem... while simultaneously running the risk of alienating players from an already dwindling role population. Even in this scenario, however, one fails to address the issue of tank accessory drops being anything other than a complete waste of a run, because nobody cares about being able to survive a hit ever-so-slightly better compared to dealing more damage.

After all of this, however, one has to question what the actual point of all of this was, because regardless of the amount of damage tanks do, their DPS has to be taken into consideration when designing content. So if the developers don't reduce their overall workload, and players generally dislike being reduced in effectiveness, the prevailing question becomes: Why?

i think they could cap out the strenght on the accessories, so it is as high as on the DPS-accessories, and then they reduce the modifier for calculating strenght into attack power, like they did in HW when vitality gave attack power.

wasn't it (str x 0.45) + (vit x 0.45) = attack power?

so cap out str and the new formula would be like str x 0.9 = attack power or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Tint

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Exactly my statement!

And yes, I can confirm it was "(str x 0.45) + (vit x 0.45) = attack power"! Though, I think that was somewhat of a band-aid-fix, also. (Not the best, but a good one.)

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Well strength wasn't supposed to be on your accessories anyways, and frankly if it was me, I'd wipe it out altogether and lock out any abuse cases as well.

You'll adjust to it.

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Except SE added STR to fending accessories because tanks were using the Alexandrian Slaying accessories over any of the SB ones, even the savage Deltascape ones.

Removing it wouldn't make a difference when it comes to crafted vs. Savage accessories, it'd just be the current situation minus some STR on both sides.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Except SE added STR to fending accessories because tanks were using the Alexandrian Slaying accessories over any of the SB ones, even the savage Deltascape ones.

Removing it wouldn't make a difference when it comes to crafted vs. Savage accessories, it'd just be the current situation minus some STR on both sides.

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I already provided enough discussion here in favor of strength accessories and the points of concern.

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Originally Posted by Tint

i think they could cap out the strenght on the accessories, so it is as high as on the DPS-accessories, and then they reduce the modifier for calculating strenght into attack power, like they did in HW when vitality gave attack power.

wasn't it (str x 0.45) + (vit x 0.45) = attack power?

so cap out str and the new formula would be like str x 0.9 = attack power or something like that.

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.9 is a blatant grab for more damage.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

.9 is a blatant grab for more damage.

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Oh hush.. Lol

Being able to make a significant contribution to the raid group's DPS is a satisfying endeavor. We're in the modern era now, the old days of tanks being HP sponges have passed :p

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Oh hush.. Lol

Being able to make a significant contribution to the raid group's DPS is a satisfying endeavor. We're in the modern era now, the old days of tanks being HP sponges have passed :p

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At .9, the effective strength value is 2620ish, which is about a 10% gain from now.

Adding a 10% gain at most percentiles puts tanks at near 75% of Bard, Red Mage, and Machinist. As precentiles move higher, this number rises to around 80-85%.

No.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

At .9, the effective strength value is 2620ish, which is about a 10% gain from now.

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If you say so?

I interpreted that as whatever str is valued at now * .9

As in, give us the full str so upgrades are valuable and reduce the impact of said str by 10%

Well.. I suppose that's still going to be an increase since we'll have a boat load more str

BRB

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.8392 it is

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

At .9, the effective strength value is 2620ish, which is about a 10% gain from now.

Adding a 10% gain at most percentiles puts tanks at near 75% of Bard, Red Mage, and Machinist. As precentiles move higher, this number rises to around 80-85%.

No.

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That would be a terrible idea for this expansion due to the way fights have already been balanced, but I fail to see the problem with a tank doing 75-85% of the DPS of the two weakest personal DPS jobs in the game while offering zero offensive utility.

I see this as a design constraint problem.

Higher ilevel gear should always be more powerful than lower ilevel gear, regardless of melding and secondary stats. In order to achieve this, the difference in primary stats between two ilevels must outweigh any variations in secondary stat choices/melding.

This is not an economics discussion. Crafted gear, even as implemented, is valuable at the launch of a tier. The biggest profits happen on day 1, and there will always be a market for it as long as it is stronger than the previous tier's BiS.

It's also not a DPS vs. Tank damage discussion. If tanks start encroaching on DPS, just adjust the latter to hit harder. The problem lies in the amount of incremental benefit gained with ilevel, not in the overall value.