Housing Suggestions

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Which proves the point that what FFXIV does shouldn't follow what the F2P does because FFXIV is operating on a completely different monetization model, coupled with a general lack of store prompts that infest most of the F2P MMOs out there... so something (like their housing model) may not be as relevant because they can get away with doing server inefficient stuff (like instanced housing) because the F2P MMOs don't have the population that FFXIV does.

Housing is also one of the reasons why WoW grossly simplified the concept and implemented it as the garrison in WoD.

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This is ridiculous. Wildstar had housing as a core part of its gameplay before it went F2P. So did a number of other MMOs.

This game has a problem because it's built on the archaic and god-awful structure that was used in 1.0, not because F2P MMOs do stuff inefficiently "because they can" or whatever. Also, Garrisons are not housing, and never should be considered as housing. Blizzard has said they don't want to add housing because they don't want people to hole themselves up in it and never go elsewhere in the world, not because of server or game limitations.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Maybe I was giving you too much intellectual credit? I shall correct that mistake.

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You know, for someone who was so quick to accuse others of personal attacks in your other thread, you sure to enjoy making them yourself. Unless you work for SE and know their infrastructure, you can’t make assumptions on their hardware when they themselves have said numerous times that they have server limitations.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

You know, for someone who was so quick to accuse others of personal attacks in your other thread, you sure to enjoy making them yourself. Unless you work for SE and know their infrastructure, you can’t make assumptions on their hardware when they themselves have said numerous times that they have server limitations.

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That's really funny coming from someone that said:

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I'm not going to argue with you past this post because there's no point

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Why are you still arguing?

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Why are you still arguing?

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Because I can't stand when people turn to ad hominem as a new base for their arguments when no one agrees with them. Nor can I stand it when people are hypocritical, or when a pot starts calling the kettles black.

People don't agree with your suggestion. That doesn't make them "less intelligent" for it. So enough of the failed attempts at being cheeky. And if you're going to insist that others are personally attacking you or being "drama queens", it would be best for you to not behave like you claim others are behaving. People would maybe be more keen to listen to you if you did that.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

This is ridiculous. Wildstar had housing as a core part of its gameplay before it went F2P. So did a number of other MMOs.

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They still failed and went F2P, and many are rather dull solofests now - which is exaclty what instanced housing brings with it. Solofication of an MMO is to be avoided at all costs because that makes a social game feel very RPGish... and there's already enough of that in the MSQ for new players that we don't need to add to it.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

This game has a problem because it's built on the archaic and god-awful structure that was used in 1.0, not because F2P MMOs do stuff inefficiently "because they can" or whatever.

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You may want to check https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/sp...woken/housing/, AFAIK housing didn't exist in 1.0, and I would doubt SE would stick to 1.0 server code as SE basically rewrote FFXIV from the ground up going by what was said in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRZ_4H0OK60.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Also, Garrisons are not housing, and never should be considered as housing. Blizzard has said they don't want to add housing because they don't want people to hole themselves up in it and never go elsewhere in the world, not because of server or game limitations.

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It's still as close as WoW got to it and people did exactly that with the garrisons.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Because I can't stand when people turn to ad hominem as a new base for their arguments when no one agrees with them. Nor can I stand it when people are hypocritical, or when a pot starts calling the kettles black.

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**Holds up a mirror**

Now say that to the reflection.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

**Holds up a mirror**

Now say that to the reflection.

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Translation: "I can be rude, abrasive and antagonistic because of my purported vast intelligence. But if you dare point out my hypocrisy, you're just being rude, abrasive and antagonistic. Stop derailing my thread!!!"

Even the insane trolls are questioning this logic.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Translation: "I can be rude, abrasive and antagonistic because of my purported vast intelligence. But if you dare point out my hypocrisy, you're just being rude, abrasive and antagonistic. Stop derailing my thread!!!"

Even the insane trolls are questioning this logic.

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Or maybe this suggestion has struck a nerve with Cactaur's Wallflower....

Funny how two people from the same FC are behaving almost identically....

If you think I'm unnerved by you, you are sorely mistaken, I'm afraid.

I'm still waiting for you to quote where I have personally attacked you. I asked you before, and have never received an answer. Disagreeing with you and questioning your logic/reasoning for these suggestions is not a personal attack. Neither is commenting on pieces you have said to other posters with my opinions on your statements.

With regards to this thread, my very first post asked you why implement some of these suggestions. And it went unanswered. If you want to make suggestions, you should probably explain WHY you are making them.

WHY limit mansions only to FCs?
WHY limit the Housing NPCs to FCs only?
WHY revert and decide to forceibly release houses of individuals that were already grandfathered in?

At least the third you somewhat answered, though with a very poor comparison liking people that own multiple virtual houses to slave owners, which, again, is not a fair or good comparison. But the others you never answered.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

In no particular order, here are the next batch of changes SE should make to the housing system:

1. Restrict Large houses to FC only.
2. Restrict housing NPCs to FC only.
3. Increase garden spaces on all houses to the large house capacity.
4. Add five wards to all neighborhoods with every major patch (4.3, 4.4, 5.0) until the issue is resolved.
5. Forcibly release houses are are in violation to the ownership terms defined in 4.2 and provide the owners at least a month of warning prior to the patch this goes live to make arrangements so the automated rules don't do it for them.

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1. I would rather this not be the case. If one has the means and funds to own a large house, they should have just as much opportunity to own a large house.
2. What's the point of this? Hosuing NPCs are just as valuable for private owners as for FCs. Especially now that they released two entirely new model sets for the vendors.
3. They can't. Wards are already strained as it is.
4. This is difficult, because wards strain the server so hard. They're instances of the same zone that remain in the constant memory of the server, as I understand it. For instance (no pun intended), when you queue for a duty from the inside of your house, on exiting the duty you're dropped into your ward. Why? Because the ward was already loaded in, and the inside of your house was not. It is troublesome for them to have to plop you from the duty instance to the inside of your housing instance because the inside of your housing instance would need to be called up at the same time as your characters movement in the instance server.
5. No. It is wrong to punish people for not breaking rules. This is the point of grandfathering someone in.

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It's time to slay this problem and end the slum lords for good.

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You ever had an actual slumlord? I have. They suck. Also the scalping and reselling businesses were essentially killed off by the added randomness to a house being repurchasable after it's demolished.

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Otherwise we're going to keep seeing videos like [URL="[/URL] appear because the housing system is fundamentally flawed.

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We'll see videos like that no matter what is done. They could literally give every player a free mansion and upgrade every neighborhood to be both instanced for people who want it and ward-based for people who don't, answer every single critique and suggestion no matter how contradictory...and you'd still have people complaining about something.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Cactaur's Wallflower....

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You must have something for our dear HyoMin, comparing her to a flower like that. I don't think she's interested though.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

If you think I'm unnerved by you, you are sorely mistaken, I'm afraid.

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And yet, you keep responding to me.

If I'm not getting to you, why are you continuing to whine at me instead of either responding with apathy or not responding at all? Doing the latter shows both weakness and that I'm getting to you.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

WHY limit mansions only to FCs?

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Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one - so FCs should take priority with housing as seen by SE having housing purchases open ONLY to FCs right now.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

WHY limit the Housing NPCs to FCs only?

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Name one NPC that I can't get to in a major city, or has their goods available from a beast tribe. They're pure inconvenience and should be used as additional incentive for people to join an FC.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

WHY revert and decide to forceibly release houses of individuals that were already grandfathered in?

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1. New players can't own as many houses as older players, and it's never good to have the haves and have nots.
2. They never should have been able to get their houses in the first place.
3. We have a housing shortage, and they are tying up more than their fair share of resources.