Selling Runs and Clears

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Originally Posted by odintius

I dont really care if people do this, but you have to admit it a sweet deal if rmt get involved in the market as well. Sell the Gil to a player and get a chance in getting it returned if not get Gil anyways from another player =profit. No one really know between legit players from rmt thats perfect cover imo. /Shrugs

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This is a pretty big exaggeration. RMTs won't make their names as easily identifiable like this. Plus the time and cost of getting 7 geared players together with up to date content requirements/expansion costs + risk of the accounts getting banned. It does not make sense and there's far to much work involved. RMT use other strategies.

Honestly..if you pay for this stuff...you deserve to get robbed/ripped off.

It's a scam/sham/total rip off honestly.

The game is not that hard - you do not need to fall prey to this crap.

I wish SE would just flat out ban it and put it under "RMT" because honestly...it really is a form of it when you get right down to it.

not to mention the obvious fact you may end up losing your account info by handing it over to them (MANY other companies/games will ban you for giving your information out!)- I mean how else do they do it in the first place? "assist" you? Why pay gil when you can start a PF and give everyone bonuses for helping you.

Don't get it at all..are there that many suckers falling prey to this?

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Originally Posted by Kerwin

This is a pretty big exaggeration. RMTs won't make their names as easily unidentifiable like this. Plus the time and cost of getting 7 geared players together with up to date content/expansions + risk of the accounts getting banned. It does not make sense and there's far to mich work involved. RMT use other strategies.

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Can you prove me wrong otherwise, I used word like IF meaning no one has proof and you provided us with your experience that anecdotal as well.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

I wish SE would just flat out ban it and put it under "RMT" because honestly...it really is a form of it when you get right down to it.

not to mention the obvious fact you may end up losing your account info by handing it over to them (MANY other companies/games will ban you for giving your information out!)- I mean how else do they do it in the first place?

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Clearly you have no idea how run selling works. You don't give the sellers any kind of log in information at all. Most groups just take you and ask to to die asap, and then just clear the fight with the 7 other people. I'd love to hear your reasoning for how run selling is tantamount to RMT as well.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

XD

Clearly you have no idea how run selling works. You don't give the sellers any kind of log in information at all. Most groups just take you and ask to to die asap, and then just clear the fight with the 7 other people. I'd love to hear your reasoning for how run selling is tantamount to RMT as well.

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Agreed, however during early stages and previous raid tiers, you needed someone to pilot the 8th account. Specially if the selling group wasn't too trained for the fight. But these are extremely rare situations nowdays.

Responding to the person you quoted, branding the run selling as RMT is wrong as long as there is no real money involved. If it's only gil, then it doesn't matter and the sellers don't care/know where that gil comes from. If anything, only the gil buyer should be punished. Ultimately, about the whole thing, if there's demand, there will be people willing to sell it.

I dont see anything wrong with it, aslong both buyer and seller get what they were promised to, then its fine.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

XD

Clearly you have no idea how run selling works. You don't give the sellers any kind of log in information at all. Most groups just take you and ask to to die asap, and then just clear the fight with the 7 other people. I'd love to hear your reasoning for how run selling is tantamount to RMT as well.

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Was gonna respond to the quote but you did it for me. How is run selling rmt? Please break it down for us.

I see run selling as the same as selling i320 gear. You are peddling what you're good at.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

XD

Clearly you have no idea how run selling works. You don't give the sellers any kind of log in information at all. Most groups just take you and ask to to die asap, and then just clear the fight with the 7 other people. I'd love to hear your reasoning for how run selling is tantamount to RMT as well.

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I've seen groups advertising selling Ultimate Coil, how are they pulling that off with 7 people?

Also the fact a lot of these groups are advertising across the entire data center and insist on being contacted Discord makes it look like they are asking for something else besides gil because you can't trade gil with someone on a different server.

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

XD

Clearly you have no idea how run selling works. You don't give the sellers any kind of log in information at all. Most groups just take you and ask to to die asap, and then just clear the fight with the 7 other people. I'd love to hear your reasoning for how run selling is tantamount to RMT as well.

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Although there are 7-man-kills out there I still have to meet a guy with bought O4s kill who didn't hand over login data to get their clear. (I know of 3 people only though).

Same for a (hypothetical) ultimate kill. Not possible with 7 for the next 12 months at least.

Technically those people are bannable for handing over those data and afair it's still pretty common at least for early sell runs in x.x0 patches.

I don' think A4/A8/A12 were 7-manable in the first month.
The first reddit entry to 7man A12s was from mid january'17, that is almost 4 months after release...
way after this was sold by a lot of groups.

Sometimes buying a clear doesn't necessarily mean you can't do the content yourself. In fact it's quite the contrary. Some people would resort to buying a clear since everyone else they run into in pf just happens to be incompetent so buying a clear just saves them from the frustration and salt down the road.