The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

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Originally Posted by PArcher

... I don't really see much toxicity in these matches either. Its the low-ranking matches and the ones where Bronze and Golds (or better) are mixed I see this somewhat (and even then, I've seen tons worse in other games) ...

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I like that you mention that you seen worse in other games cuz it makes me wonder if its about a correlation. People will undoubtedly challenge me on this but FF 14 "pve" scene is very civil overall and maybe that contrast makes the pvp scenario look even worse? When you mentioned other games my thoughts went to WoW and that game has an undeniably toxic pvp scene...but its contrast is a equally toxic pve scene as well :P So perhaps in that case it just goes from being bad behavior to being the norm?

Just makes me curious as to whether its overreaction because in the case of the overall ff 14 community toxicity is well beyond being "normal" behavior. Some argue that this toxicity is nothing compared to other competitive online games, but how does it measure up to what the "ff 14 community" is?

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Originally Posted by FinalWolf

Like what you're doing right now? If it's that important to you then just discord.

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I'd like to think that what I said to you was neither rage-fueled or provoking in nature. Sorry if you took it that way.

Im totaly okay with the new system. I can finaly Heal in Feast again without getting insulted if people die once.

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Originally Posted by Araxes

Im totaly okay with the new system. I can finaly Heal in Feast again without getting insulted if people die once.

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I can finaly dps without killing stuff, ahhh 50 k damage in a 8 min fight here I come.

Is there some reason you guys can't simply move to 4v4 fixed party Feast if you want real high level play with voice comms (which are mandatory for optimal performance anyway)? Like any game with both solo and premade queues, the solution to problems in solo is to queue premade so you can control who you're teamed up with. It's really no different in other games - you have people turning off their chat or muting their team in advance, even muting incoming voice comms even if it's a default feature.

If there aren't enough players to support a fixed party ladder, that's a problem the playerbase has to solve itself. And for all you know, a more hospitable solo queue experience will incentivize more people to stick with the mode and graduate into serious players.

A lot of you are also overlooking the fact that this change affects both teams equally. Perhaps you'll simply have to adapt to the new communication metagame where you'll have to assume people will kind of do their own things at times. I suspect macros are a placebo for some of you anyway - there's no reason to assume that someone new to PvP has the presence of mind to parse the contents of their chatlog while in battle - especially if they're already struggling in the first place, coupled with the fact that PvP is far more demanding of attention than most raid encounters.

I am against this, but 90/100 of loosing is equal to have someone mean to others.
insult others is easy, shut a chat is easy too.
You want SE to banning players and punishing players, and waste time and ressources because at least 20/100 of playerbase take the easy way to insult others.
it won't happen.

nooo how am i gonna get my daily turn on from angry pvpers? ugh back to LoL i guess.

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

If SE went though chat logs for party finder and found the norm to be toxicity over cooperation, they prolly would implement this there too :P Honestly im hoping we get a dev response about this cuz I am curious just how bad it was that they went over chatlogs and decided this was the way to go.

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Those would probably be very boring logs lol.

9/10 runs of standard DF content consist of {Hello!} at the start and "Ty4p" at the end, because most of the standard content is so brainless that it can all be face-rolled. The only exceptions are 24 man raids, extreme level trials, or savage raids, and all of those are just as toxic as PvP. Some of the PF groups for savage or extreme content, in particular, can be downright disgusting. That said, if SE made the same decision for that content, the community would probably explode in protest. As usual, SE seems to be making an exception to their "standards" when it comes to PvP.

I am definitely curious about what those standards are, though. For example, what exactly do they consider "Harassment." Do they distinguish between strongly worded criticism and flat-out hate mail? Do they flag every disagreement (some of which are valid arguments) as harassment? Do they monitor macros or just typed chat? Do they have a program that picks out specific words? Things like that. Obviously, any case of wishing cancer upon someone is pretty cut and dry, but what about times when people just get into an argument? Or if someone was over-sensitive to being called-out on a mistake? I'd be interested to see how many of those instances were slapped with a "Harassment" label, if any.

Posting to agree with the OP and many other people in this thread who are saying that removing the chat is a bad move. While I can appreciate their reason for wanting to do it, I absolutely think it will do more harm than it helps. I think it is really important for people to strategize before a match, as well as come up with complex plans beforehand. For example, how do you communicate... "Okay, tank lock down the healer, once they pop all their cooldowns, everyone be ready to hard switch." (Something like that would be hard to say in auto-translate or the 'buttons' they are giving you.) I agree with others who have suggested that we should punish toxic players by taking away THEIR ability to chat. A blanket ban on all chat is just hurting the competitive nature of The Feast. It's a team-based game, and, given how most people do solo anyway... this is making it even less coordinated. =/ (Or maybe this is their way to try to force party ranked games to become more active? People would rather get in voice chat and strategize than use the in-game chat anyway.)

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Originally Posted by Ryuko

I think it is really important for people to strategize before a match, as well as come up with complex plans beforehand. For example, how do you communicate... "Okay, tank lock down the healer, once they pop all their cooldowns, everyone be ready to hard switch." (Something like that would be hard to say in auto-translate or the 'buttons' they are giving you.) (O

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If you want to type smth like that rip. The stuff you mentioned isnt smth that needs to be called out. You dont tell a tank when to lock down a healer etc. ppl know that or they dont no use to telling them while u type u do nothing for your team. Also they said "disabled chat during battle" I guess that means u can still use chat before the gate opens. People act like solo q needs alot of coordination but in fact it doesnt atm ppl either use macros for obvious stuff like "go back" when healer dies etc.. Most stuff ppl type is just toxic or "gg ty". You want to coordinate that much ? go light party with voice chat lel