Patch 3.4 - Soul Surrender

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Alles, alles muss in den Urzustand zurückkehren - dieser Planet ... Eorzea ... ihr Sterblichen. Alles.
Everything, everything must return to its original state - this planet ... Eorzea ... you mortals. Everything.

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To me, this sounds like he wants things to return to the way they were back when Hydaelyn and Zodiark coexisted... was there life before Zodiark was banished?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

To me, this sounds like he wants things to return to the way they were back when Hydaelyn and Zodiark coexisted... was there life before Zodiark was banished?

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And killing all life on the prosses, beacuse for them life ( birth - death ) is something that should have never being existed on the first place.

We cant allow that.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

... was there life before Zodiark was banished?

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I don't want to say, "Definitely not." Elidibus clearly knows way more than we do, regardless of whether or not he's telling us the "good parts" or if he's just jerking us around to buy time and drum up the next big Calamity-causing conflict. (Perhaps re-embrace the "use the Warrior of Light" plan versus the soon-to-be-Allagan-equivalent Garlean Empire? Stay tuned!).

However, the Gerun Oracles SEEM TO imply that Hydaelyn created mortal life because she feared the already exiled Zodiark.

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Originally Posted by Gerun Oracles

In the beginning, before myth and legend,
before Light and Dark, there was but the sea.
In the beginning, before man and hist'ry,
Light and Dark were divided, the sea sundered in fourteen.
To the seas She cast Her children, for fear of the Moon.
For hate of the Star, to the seas He cast His doom.

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Kind of burnt out on the game... admittedly.... I really hate these two dungeon patches.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Kind of burnt out on the game... admittedly.... I really hate these two dungeon patches.

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What does that have to do with the lore?

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Originally Posted by Fenral

EverQuest expansions were individual installs that you could mix-and-match for a very long time, before they gave in and adopted the WoW distribution model. Final Fantasy XI expansions are also (technically) independent, with occasional caveats like Abyssea requiring Rise of the Zilart and Wings of the Goddess, but not the other two in between. Star Wars: The Old Republic lets you skip to the current expansion and has never required the previous expansions. And so on.

The usual marketing assumption is that you'll want all of them, so they make it as easy as possible with discounts and combo packs and such, but seeing as the FFXIV launcher is set up for individual expansion installs and version updates, I'm guessijng they'll be independent for at least a little while longer. At the very least, it wouldn't surprise me.

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Fair enough, though in this case it wouldn't make much sense to allow them to be installed independently. With Heavensward covering all of the 50-60 content and 4.0 presumably covering 60+ someone buying 4.0 without Heavensward wouldn't really be able to do much with the new content. The only way that might work is if 4.0 adds new 50-60 regions as well but the majority of the playerbase would see that as a waste of resources developing content that would be dead on arrival.

Independent expansion installs for EQ1 and FFXI worked largely because the expansions introduced new regions for all level ranges. I just don't see 4.0 following that pattern.

Wow nice post Anonymoose. :D

My problem siding with the Ascians is exactly that what you described. Most of the Ascians we know, want the mortals dead and Elidibus does not tell us anything, even if we would join his side if we know the truth. So why would he not tell us the truth? Why "create" the WoD to defeat us if he could just talk a little and change our mind?

My "head cannon" for now: Hydaeyln and Zodiark existed both together in peace and there was no death. But it was Hydaeyln that first somehow got more power and created the mortals. This also created the concept of death. Not everyone that existed at that time (whoever that might be) was alright with that and Zodiark tried to change it back to how it was (or maybe wanted to use the power too). But this would have killed us, her children and thus Hydaelyn banished him and destroyed reality even further.

With that some of the echo user might have been a little shocked that Hydaelyn is not the 100% all good mother crystal and thus did not want to speak about it and maybe Elidibus hoped that we would join his side if we know that it was her that started it all. But even if we kinda could see his reasoning we would still fight for her, since we are naturally "selfish" and want to life on. ;) (Maybe Echo user would survive the rejoining?)

But those are just my small ideas. Who knows what SE has planned.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Independent expansion installs for EQ1 and FFXI worked largely because the expansions introduced new regions for all level ranges. I just don't see 4.0 following that pattern.

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The Old Republic has more linear continuity than FFXIV (since not a single side-story arc is ever forgotten), and does it by allowing a one-time skip to the latest expansion's minimum level (a la WoW). Yoshida talks like they have something similar planned, but it's hard to say. I'm just talking in terms of what the current architecture indicates, not whether or not it's a good idea.


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But on the topic of harmony and the schism between Light and Darkness, I think the wording is still vague enough to allow either interpretation. The creation of man could be either the result of the schism, or the cause of it. If it's the result, restoring what was means erasing mortal life, which is a "sorry but no." If it was the cause, we need only restore the universe to as it was before Hydaelyn tried to protect mortalkind from Zodiark.

I still think there's more to the tale than Hydaelyn has revealed. I think it's probably that she's just as 'bad' as Zodiark and lusted for power herself - and whilst her intentions may be better than Zodiark's where mortals are concerned I think she's just as liable to exploit them for her own ends. Perhaps her lust for control was what threw the delicate balance into being skewed and as a result she herself is to blame for setting the Ascian's gruesome methods into motion.

And what do you base that off of?