Why are houses so expensive :(

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Would a thread with the focus being on "help me find better ways to earn gil" have gotten a more positive response? Probably (you never know with these forums ^_~).

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I think it would have. Even here you get (generally) more constructive replies if you don't open with snark and imply people are no-lifers because they leveled crafters and gatherers. You get fewer responses for sure, but better ones I'd suspect.

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Again, I'd like to disagree ^^; Availability is a problem not because of the pricing. Availability is a problem because they decided to add players to the FC housing system (after saying it would be a separate system), meaning that on a large-population world they'd have to add over a thousand* wards in each city state to even begin to cover the population. But even before that, they added too few houses for the number of active FCs.

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The pricing isn't too high. Even without crafters and gatherers you can make decent money pretty quickly. As Jynx mentioned even just two leveled battle retainers can get you a steady income without any real effort, throw in just doing your challenge log items and you should hit the magic 3-4 million in a couple of months. I totally agree about the poor decision that was adding players to the FC system and I'm annoyed that SE chose to double down on that nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Unless person is on a poor server the game pretty much rains gil down on people if they put any effort into it. I don't really think anyone would be complaining about the price of housing if it was instanced and enough for everyone. Ultimately price is not the issue availability is.

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When you have never had more than 700k gil, price is an issue.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

When you have never had more than 700k gil, price is an issue.

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Sounds like a person problem, been stated multiple times how to much gil as this quote below.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

As Jynx mentioned even just two leveled battle retainers can get you a steady income without any real effort, throw in just doing your challenge log items and you should hit the magic 3-4 million in a couple of months.

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Anyways price is not a issue as don't matter how much you have when the houses sell out in 5 minutes before you can even log in.

So let's say you're on a server where houses are available and you want to raise the 3.x million. You don't have maxed crafters, heck maybe you don't have a maxed battle class, here is my advice:



1) If you haven't done so already, assign one of your retainers your main class as their class and start sending them out on ventures. Do long ones at first so you don't have to think about it as much, but eventually you'll want to take a second and check the market board for things that are selling that they can bring back and do those. This seriously only takes a few minutes of your daily game time and it's worth it. If you're like me and have a large time block away at either school or work send them on a long venture prior to that for the materials, allagan coins, and retainer experience

1a) assign your other retainer to either a gatherer you want to level or to another battle class you plan on getting some levels on. Do the above with it at the same time.

2) Do what you can to complete your dungeon and fate challenge logs. Are you a slightly more patient soul? Do the levequest one as well. I recommend that you use the leve quests to level any alt classes you're interested in before using them on heavensward leves as the experience gained in old world leves is WAY better proportionally than the HW ones are. Use or sell (or desynth - see below) the leve rewards.

3) Have you leveled any crafters near 30? Grit your teeth and at least get a couple to 30. Once you do, you can start desynthing items. Wanna know something funny? You can raise your desynthesis over and above things you can craft. As an example, my alt on Balmung only can craft up to level 30 stuff, but she can desynth gear up to ilvl 90.

Why do this? Because certain items sometimes show up on the market board at or below vendor price. Desynth shines when dealing with stuff like this and the materials you get will often sell for more than the item does in these cases.

4) Stop spending so dang much.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

4) Stop spending so dang much.

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But...D:
No!

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

4) Stop spending so dang much.

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Barding is pretty.

Personally I like how we are over a year out from the initial release of player housing, and everyone that can afford one still can't purchase one. Meanwhile people own multiple plots, FC selling & plot selling are only now being openly frowned upon by devs...

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

I respectfully disagree with that comparison. =) Admittedly it's become a little better now that they (mostly) lowered the initial housing prices. but... It's more like all houses IRL are sold by the real estate agency (not by the previous house owner), and said agency sets the price based on the "average income" in your country. Due to some people having extremely high incomes, that average ends up being a lot higher than what 50% of the population earns. This means that for those people ending up below the "average", in particular those at or close to minimum wage, houses are way too expensive.

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In my country, the house owners get to decide on the price they want to sell. They hire a real estate agent to be the middlemen. But that wasn't my point in that sentence. My point is that the OP is unhappy with the pricing of the houses because he couldn't afford it, and why couldn't he afford it? Because he loses interest easily in MONEY MAKING opportunities. OP made the choice to not work for something and then complain about it.

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Would a thread with the focus being on "help me find better ways to earn gil" have gotten a more positive response? Probably (you never know with these forums ^_~). But it's also very easy to figure that out when you're not upset and/or frustrated that what you want is out of reach.

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I wouldn't say that there would be zero backlashes if the focus was differently, but the amount would definitely be LESSER. There are always consequences to things you do, if you post something in public without thinking thrice about what could happen, you just gotta deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

4) Stop spending so dang much.

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But seriously, there was once a thread in this forum about how much Gil people have, and that's where I realized that minus my spending habits of at least 100-200k per day (not even counting the casual 1 million here for a new glamour, the 800k there for a new furniture piece, etc xD) I could have long afforded a large mansion already.

I mean, what am I supposed to do? Actually create my own glamour prisms? Level beast tribes up to have access to all colors? Actually craft stuff instead of buying everything for leve/GC/Ixal turn-ins?!

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

The pricing isn't too high.

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I said nothing about the price levels. I just said that the price isn't the reason why houses are so hard to get. The scarcity of them is.

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Originally Posted by Teryaani

I think it would have. Even here you get (generally) more constructive replies if you don't open with snark and imply people are no-lifers because they leveled crafters and gatherers. You get fewer responses for sure, but better ones I'd suspect.

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Originally Posted by RaquelleAvarosa

I wouldn't say that there would be zero backlashes if the focus was differently, but the amount would definitely be LESSER. There are always consequences to things you do, if you post something in public without thinking thrice about what could happen, you just gotta deal with it.

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I agree. But like I said, hindsight is 20/20. When you're upset and disappointed with something, how often do you think clearly and logically? Basically: Yes, it would have been better, but since I can't be certain I would have done any better in that situation, I'm not going to throw any stones. =)