FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Will Red Mage be just like astrologian? A fusion between SMN & Blm.

I think they'll just fuse it with Mystic Knight/Spell Fencer as a DPS and call it a day. It'll wind up maybe a little like NIN, BLM, and SMN in various ways, doing melee combos and a few spells, enchanting its weapon (astral/umbral/3rd element like mechanic) so it gets by with INT main stat and no stancing, and offers a lot of utility from healing/raise to single target resource recovery to vulnerability inflictions and other debuffs.

There was something mentioned in the fanfest that made me think about all the theorycrafting going on on RDM and the upcoming classes.

"-Revamped battle system to go with new actions
-Additional Skill System to be overhauled, with skills shared by roles instead of jobs, and can choose from shared role ability options.
-Reassessment of unused/ineffective actions."

So... What if... "What if" Rdm is not about if it will be Dps, Tank or Healer but... How will the abilities will work with each role? If they give it multiple roles, of course.

Edit: On second thought, maybe i am overthinking it.

Battle System adjusted. Pruning/merging abilities and simplifying rotations because we made it too hard and too many buttons.


Cross class skill system is being over-hauled. Now cross class skills will be pulled from skill lists that are roled based: Tank/Healer/DPS cross class skill categories and there will be a shared role one for skills that don't fit or need to cross between roles (example Swiftcast needed by casters and healers).

Yep, overthinking it.

I said nothing, sorry for the lapse... I should go to sleep.

I'm personally hoping for a melee range dps in the vein of brd/mch. More utility.

If they're going to make a mage tank - Blue makes about 1000x more sense for that.

I guess they could also be an off healer... I'd rather see something like Chemist as our fourth healer though. And they're having enough problems properly balancing 3 healers - and have for over a year now. But sometimes threes a crowd and fours a party.

I think a lot of this is just them stepping away even further from the class system, which they should, it's part of why 1.0 failed.

It will just be a melee healer. Dang, and I wanted Samurai to take that spot...

The ONLY thing I can even consider for Red Mage is the fact its BOTH a Black magic and White magic user. That's NEVER changed from what I know.

So that leads me to speculate it will borrow mechanics from each. something akin to a cleric stance for melee/ranged (sword and spells, respectively),
AND/OR
Perhaps having a stacking buff like astral fire/umbral ice in the same vein? having spells hit harder(or double casting), and needing to use your sword to regen lost MP?

The main issue I see with Red Mage fitting into the trinity as it is, is that we don't have any strictly "hybrid" Jobs. Red Mage, if it even is, would be the first. So we don't have any foundation for how the system could even handle it, sadly. This leads me to think that It will be EITHER a Healer designed for cleric stance for it's DPS nuance, OR a DPS with healing abilities that wont have much use.... like SMN.

Or SE can throw a curve ball and make Red Mage a tank out of nowhere. I can't even begin to think how that would work though...

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

This leads me to think that It will be EITHER a Healer designed for cleric stance for it's DPS nuance, OR a DPS with healing abilities that wont have much use.... like SMN.

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Why do people always think that? SMN isn't a bad dps anymore, sure there are players that can't play it, but that doesn't make it a bad class. On a lot of servers people rather take smn's than blm's due to the fact that we make it easier on the healers with not having to stand in every aoe. There have been fights we would of wiped, if we would have gone without a smn and when played correctly we even do a very decent amount of damage, even on single target. We have to stop bashing the poor smn's :)

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

Why do people always think that?

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I think you misinterpreted the post. SMN was mentioned as a recedent of a Magic DPS class with Healing Spells (Physick and Resserection). While The latter is more useful as it ensures a lifeline for if the designated Lifelines (The Healer(s)) die, Physick is mediocre on both SMN and BLM is more useful for Soloing.

The reason is due to Scaling and Stats. The same reason why Cleric Stance is a thing and Why PLD got the highest potency healing spell. The Abilities all scale off a certain Mainstat for DPS (expect PIE, that distinction alone makes it a glorified substat). Because of Cleric Stance switching it with INT, MND is included in this. The general scheme is Tank=VIT, Support DPS=DEX, Melee DPS=STR, Magic DPS=INT and Healers=MND. And as a result of ARC having two Jobs in separate roles and Healers being similar, they have Skills sclaing off two mainstats. INT and MND.

As a result of itemization, this means that a high-level Magic DPS (SMN and BLM) will have more INT than MND, which means they hit harder but their healers are mediocre. A Healer (AST, WHM and SCH) on the other hand would have higher MND, so they get more heath back but due weak DPS, with Clerics being a workaround to that

Indeed, a simple misinterpretation. I was saying a SMN's ability to HEAL was not useful, not that SMN ITSELF wasn't useful. Ressurection is kinda... borderline for me. If I was to choose a SMN for my raid purely because they had physick, my tanks would laugh me out of the room. If I chose a SMN purely because they had a battle rez, I'm sure my healers would have words with me about my faith in them.

SMN are indeed good as a more mobile ranged DPS, but they are not good healers. Thus SMN is a DPS job with healing abilities that aren't much use, as I said.

Moreover, even with my initial vague wording, I still can't see how what I said was "bashing" anyone or anything... huh