Self-Destructing Community?

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Originally Posted by luciferbelmont

Going in blind patch day with sephirot was one of the best things i've experienced. The moment we figured out what to do to avoid his triple fist full of 9999 damage swipe, everyone was happy, and the chat was filled with Awesome and a lot of positivity. We figured out that fight by ourselves without using a video. I also tried looking up guides patch day for the 2 new dungeons and their weren't any videos up. I don't know why people expect to watch videos that don't even exist on patch day.

all that video hand holding is getting people edgy. Even when they aren't around.

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Yes! The Day One fights are always amazing. I remember this with Titan Ex, Thordan Ex, and now Sephirot Ex. However, now, people are impatient unfortunately, so it makes learning parties a pain rather than progressively having fun.

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Originally Posted by Ninster

This kind of thing is why I'm glad I have friends that play this game, so I can run through the content with them together, prior to a solo experience. If I have to run through something solo, though, I do try to mention that I'm new. I like to think I'm okay at figuring some mechanics out, but an explanation never hurts.

Regarding "look it up on YouTube", everyone learns best in their own way. I myself learn okay visually, but best from experience. Some people might watch videos but get nothing out of it until they try it. "Look it up on YouTube" only works so well, people. Regardless, patience is something that is really going to make or break people when it comes to new content. If you don't have the time or patience to explain to new people, bring your own group, and please talk to the Smith again to ask for your mentorship to be revoked. If you don't have the time to speak up about being new to content or learning new content, then by all means pass on it until you do. It's a two-way street, and people HAVE to meet each other part of the way.

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I wish!

Been playing since beta phase 1 on PS3. While I have "friends", we're all on different pages. They are in a static; I'm not due to work schedule. I'm online late nights. They're either offline or relaxing with crafting after doing battles all day. Duty Finder has been my friend since it was early 2014. Majority of my 2.X wins came from DF.

I have nearly stopped doing all group activities in this game because the people are rude.

I'm always apparently lazy or stupid. Same for my friends. I have a friend who is 61 years old and she frequently cries, like with this newest update, when someone told her she is an idiot and that she should kill herself because she didn't know all the mechanics of one of the new dungeons within 12 hours of release. Also, she is old, physically slower, English isn't her native language etc.

But nah bro, we're all just dumb AF.

I honestly don't even care how bad of a player I might be anymore, I'll always be better than most people anyway. If you spend 95% of the dungeon typing away how bad I am, I'm bound to do better than you. At least I can like, press my macros, and dodge AoE's.

BTW, ya'll ain't qualified to be mentors. Take that crown off. "Kill yourself IRL" is a really bad gaming strategy. You'd be down a DPS.

PS. If you are a nice person, this rant doesn't apply.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

One statement: Go to the FFXI forums (if your account is valid on there), and people will complain and yell at you to go back here because they think FFXI is better than FFXIV. They even act like that on the Facebook groups. Trust me, they are way more toxic than the FFXIV community. We are literally like children at church compared to them.

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Well I like both for different reasons but they're not wrong about FFXI being great (or better for that matter).
All these people who look up guides for this game wouldn't last long in FFXI when it first came out, hell I bet most of the ex WoW players here wouldn't last in a single player FF game.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

I honestly don't care if you think it's "rude" or "insensitive" when the information is available. You are willfully choosing ignorance, so expect the reaction. So yes.. REALLY! Stop being lazy and take the 10 minutes to at least know what you are getting in to.

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Watching videos don't always work for everyone. I cannot keep focus while watching videos and have a hard time understanding compared to just doing it. As well tutorials such as Mr happy's. He talks to much do by time I'm on P3 or 4 I forgot p1 and 2.

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

Watching videos don't always work for everyone. I cannot keep focus while watching videos and have a hard time understanding compared to just doing it. As well tutorials such as Mr happy's. He talks to much do by time I'm on P3 or 4 I forgot p1 and 2.

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Regardless of being able to focus or not you can at least get a cursory look at mechanics. Hell I dislike watching videos as much as the next guy as a method of learning but it's better than going in totally blind.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

One statement: Go to the FFXI forums (if your account is valid on there), and people will complain and yell at you to go back here because they think FFXI is better than FFXIV. They even act like that on the Facebook groups. Trust me, they are way more toxic than the FFXIV community. We are literally like children at church compared to them.

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I fail to see what FFXI has got to do with the state of FFXIVs community?

It comes across as you're saying, "at least ours isn't as bad as theirs" which if that is what you're saying is an awful way of looking at something and never leads to improvement but instead usually the opposite.

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Originally Posted by MyaValentine

Watching videos don't always work for everyone. I cannot keep focus while watching videos and have a hard time understanding compared to just doing it. As well tutorials such as Mr happy's. He talks to much do by time I'm on P3 or 4 I forgot p1 and 2.

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I personally think, as long as people are respectful of others/party requirements and they communicate, watching a video shouldn't be a MUST. This is a game after all and people are here to have fun.

On the note of this though, I have a recommendation for you when watching Mrhappy's videos. Just focus on the aspects of the video that are directed at your role. While it can be useful to know the other roles in the fight, your role is the one that matters when learning. Watching the videos with this mind set will make them much less cumbersome. (Well at least for me it did. XD)

I will agree, he does cover a lot of ground and I end up having to watch his videos more than once usually to get the full picture.

When people want advice they ask for it. If your advice is solicited then give it. If they don't ask for it then either they watched a vid and have a good idea of what to expect or would like to try to figure it out on their own. Respect their wishes. If after a few attempts they still appear to be struggling, ASK if they would like an explanation before just force feeding it down their throats. That was a real annoyance during this recent patch...it had been out all of 8 hours before I had the chance to do Sephirot and people were already posting books about the mechanics on entry. There was nothing in there I couldn't figure out after seeing once. Respect people's right to enjoy the game. If your enjoyment of the game comes from everything running flawlessly then put your own group together and run without random people. The moment you enter Duty Finder you've accepted that you might (probably) will be playing with people who don't have the experience or player skill you do.

Also, videos are absolutely not a requirement for any content, new or old. If the content is new then let the people who want to discover the content blind do so. If it's old, then the other 3 people know the mechanics well enough that they should be able to cover for any mistakes by the new person. I don't watch videos before running a new dungeon. I will check the vids out after I've run the new content a few times to see if there was anything I missed or was unable to figure out on my own. This whole "rage" thing needs to stop though. If you wouldn't say something to someone's face you shouldn't say it online either.