Rest in peace War dps

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

I feel like people are exaggerating the decrease in WAR's self healing potency

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if you were in all vit gear to begin with then your damage would actually increase and you wouldn't notice the potencies. 20% less damage is still very noticeable (especially if you were all strength). I noticed the first time I did a crit fell cleave and equilibrium when i first touched warrior this patch that things were definitely changed. The self heal nerfs are not an exaggeration. Especially with blood bath + berserk being less potent than before.

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Originally Posted by Adire

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That's fine, but it's important to stress that it isn't the fault of balance being off. Tanks were able to do ridiculous damage before. Now they're more or less in line with what they should do so they aren't ridiculous carries. If you don't enjoy tanking as it is, no one will hold it against you, but it's not because there's something wrong with the role. It's just not the role for you.

I object to the implication that tanks who continue tanking are just meat shields, though. You direct positioning, have to have good dungeon knowledge, and have to know how to coordinate with the team. We don't have as many class centric mechanics as DPS, sure, but we deal with loads of environmental and team-centric mechanics.

Then the objective is: if they don't become again the war into Warrior (the max expresion of DAMAGE with his great two handed and enormous axe, then stop playing everybody wars, I can't understand because they change the damage, they must make war stronger again, literaly a two handed War Axe would do more damage as always little swords, daggers, bullets, fists, etc.

And put elemental resistances/weaks, put elemental materia into your weapon to do elemental damage and make enemies with resistances and vulnerabilities, not dps boring checks (and after nerf people and their predilect classes) make bosses as the strat start before the dungeon, chose the wepons correctly, even classes! (against dragon a Lance will be more effective as daggers for example) make bosses with behaviour!

We are in 2016! and pay 10 eu/dolars or a bit more for playing this game, so SE less nerfs and improve the game with real new and original ideas and content!!!

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Originally Posted by Gameplayzero

if you were in all vit gear to begin with then your damage would actually increase

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Hm! I was always in all Vit, and I noticed a slight decrease in damage and a significant decrease in healing. I wonder if it's the numbers or my perceptions.

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Originally Posted by Adire

Some people, like myself, enjoy pushing ourselves to better than "good enough". We were rewarded in playing above and beyond the requirements with higher dps, i.e. faster runs and everyone winning from it. With that being impossible now, I can at least speak for myself in that tanking bores me now.

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So what about the people that raided for Gordian gear as a STR tank, pushing content and getting those 210 pieces that never mattered? The fending pieces that fell on the floor week after week, yeah what a GREAT reward that was. I always hated carrying bad DPS because my role was never meant to beat them in damage even now we have people in ilvl 210+ that are still doing 500 DPS tanks can still do more than them.

As for faster runs that falls upon your DPS my Paladin friend tanking while my friend and I were a drg ilvl 211 and monk ilvl 217 we did Antitower in 15ish minutes we were both pulling over 1.2k+ on boss fights trash didn't take that long as we had a Sch DPSing. The good tanks are going to still tank and push content while the bad tanks are going to sit back and never push themselves as it always has been. Playing skillfully is still a thing in this game for tanks the ceiling is still high you just need to know how to adapt and play with the new meta.

Maybe tanking has different views for everyone which I understand, for myself however i'm going to keep tanking it's a shame you hung up your sword/shield/axe/greatsword, but that's why we play an MMO to enjoy ourselves rather than be something we don't enjoy.

I don't know but I think most geared WARs will echo the fact that Berserked Equilbrium was critting for 15k+ and Fell Cleave was hitting for 9k+ in raiding set-ups.

Personally, I'm fine with the adjustment. I can still pull 1k+ DPS in fights with higher deliverance up-time like Sephirot EX so whatever. My Fell Cleaves are now hitting for 8k instead of 9k. Whatever. I'm still contributing a large chuck of raid DPS while fulfilling my role as a tank so it doesn't feel like the sky is falling. WARs pulling very good DPS is hardly impossible. I still beat bad DPS players easily.

Warrior tanking has lost what made it fun in the first place. Tanking is just so boring now... there's not much reason to try and push yourself since the gains are so incredibly minor, it's better to just take 5 DPS instead of 2 tanks into content.

Glad I quit tanking though, Changes are not fun.

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Originally Posted by Brian_

Personally, I'm fine with the adjustment. I can still pull 1k+ DPS in fights with higher deliverance up-time like Sephirot EX so whatever. My Fell Cleaves are now hitting for 8k instead of 9k.

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Yeah im kinda suprised it only took approx 10 ilevels to hit about same numbers than pre-patch, i was betting we would need to wait ilvl230+ so see them again but lucily i was wrong. Gameplay vise nothing has really changed except enmity, outside of tank stance enmity matters more due dmg nerf and it requires better monitoring than before(unless you have NiN), funny thing is that this raised skillcap for PLD and DRK as STR is not carrying you anymore while WAR actually took smaller hit as their enmity combo is also their best DPS combo.

I would like to thank all the tank in General that have quitted and when back to dps I am really Glad you guys did

Because people like me a true tank to the bone with tank blood running throught my veins will finally able to find a spot in raiding again

Come back for 3.2, tank forums still salting like mad.

Don't change, I love you guys (I'm now one of you).