3.2 Sephiroth

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Originally Posted by RickXRolled

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I don't think they're going to do that at all. WoW went the extremely lazy way with that. FFXI, which is actually older than that, changes cutscenes and the characters involved depending on the content cleared, which is actually really impressive since the events in question change the power structure of an entire city. XIV actually does this, too, to a certain extent, for example, you can guarantee Alisaie will have different dialogue when she appears if you've cleared Coil. The level 60 SMN quest dialogue changes based on if you've killed Lahabrea first or not. Estinien has different dialogue based on if you've done the DRG questline. So on.

FFXIV adores its continuity, as they should. They aren't going to toss it out of the window.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

I don't think they're going to do that at all. WoW went the extremely lazy way with that. FFXI, which is actually older than that, changes cutscenes and the characters involved depending on the content cleared, which is actually really impressive since the events in question change the power structure of an entire city. XIV actually does this, too, to a certain extent, for example, you can guarantee Alisaie will have different dialogue when she appears if you've cleared Coil. The level 60 SMN quest dialogue changes based on if you've killed Lahabrea first or not. Estinien has different dialogue based on if you've done the DRG questline. So on.

FFXIV adores its continuity, as they should. They aren't going to toss it out of the window.

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Yoshi said that from 4.0 onwards, expansion msq and trials will no longer be gated behind previous expansions to help new players dive straight into new content if level appropriate, so they don't have to spend hours/days grinding msq and dungeons/trials that nobody q's for. Also allowing hardcore players to jump into ex trials without having to skip all the msq.

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Originally Posted by RickXRolled

Yoshi said that from 4.0 onwards, expansion msq and trials will no longer be gated behind previous expansions to help new players dive straight into new content if level appropriate, so they don't have to spend hours/days grinding msq and dungeons/trials that nobody q's for. Also allowing hardcore players to jump into ex trials without having to skip all the msq.

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So they're going the FFXI route, as I said. FFXI didn't pretend you had already encountered something you hadn't and instead changed cutscenes to reflect it. I can't image XIV pretending you had already done it, either. That's just called lazy writing.

I actually read that statement as the dev team focusing more on the 3.1-styled battle duties rather than in-story trials like Nabriales, which would be a perfect balance, in my opinion.

The arena where we fight Sephirot looks similar to the Singularity Reactor?

I wonder if it'll be in the same place (just transformed due to his awakening) or will it be else where in Azys lla? The "roots" also remind me of Void Ark's Irminsul

This is in response to Cyril's comment about referncing past feats

• Level 60 SMN quest (Clear "Heavensward")
• Point where the group meets Y'mithra before retrieving Y'sholta form the lifestream (Get the SMN crystal)
• Tataru joining the ACN guild (join that same guild before her)
• Estinien's cameo in 2.4 and introduction 3.0 (Get the DRG crystal)
• Suito Carlito's cameo in Wanderer's Palace HM (Go as a SCH)
• Talking to Yayake in the Level 58 SCH quest (Get the BLM crystal)

These are mostly job based, but I can see them doing something similar for Trials and Raids. BTW was there any dialog changes in the BLM 50-60 quests if one had the WHM crystal or at least membership into the CNJ guild before hand?

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

Estinien has different dialogue based on if you've done the DRG questline. So on.

FFXIV adores its continuity, as they should. They aren't going to toss it out of the window.

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Estinien has different dialogue in 2.5. In 3.0 you're the second Azure Dragoon to him even as a level 0 Lancer.

Also, Ramnbroes says something different in the Heavensward level 50 SMN quest referencing that you've unlocked the Crystal Tower, but nothing different if you've cleared it. I guess they assumed new players could hit 50 as SMN and do that new quest before finishing World of Darkness, so it's just a casual mention.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

This is in response to Cyril's comment about referncing past feats

• Level 60 SMN quest (Clear "Heavensward")
• Point where the group meets Y'mithra before retrieving Y'sholta form the lifestream (Get the SMN crystal)
• Tataru joining the ACN guild (join that same guild before her)
• Estinien's cameo in 2.4 and introduction 3.0 (Get the DRG crystal)
• Suito Carlito's cameo in Wanderer's Palace HM (Go as a SCH)
• Talking to Yayake in the Level 58 SCH quest (Get the BLM crystal)

These are mostly job based, but I can see them doing something similar for Trials and Raids. BTW was there any dialog changes in the BLM 50-60 quests if one had the WHM crystal or at least membership into the CNJ guild before hand?

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Don't know about BLM, but...
I think Rhaya-O-Senna comments on being reliefed to 'have an accomplished WHM' (or something like that... been quite a while) handle it when you accept Lost City, but I don't know if it's different if you don't have WHM unlocked. Would make sense, though.

There isn't any changes to the BLM 50-60 quests if your already a WHM. Your WHM status isn't mentioned.

Ooh, are we putting together a list of all of the job continuity changes? Neat, I'm all for it.

The Odin quest has dialogue from E-Sumi-Yan about how Sylphie will "smile at your valor" or something similar. I don't think he'd have that dialogue otherwise, since you wouldn't know Sylphie without the CNJ quests.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Given the gravitas around the Warring Triad, I really hope they're not just another rehash of "Haha! I'm a Primal and must be stopped!". They've all got history, they've all got motivations, would be nice to see that touched upon more... With Sephirot we've got what? His tribe is seemingly long gone. He'd be waking up angry at an enemy that has been dead for Eras. There's a lot they can do with that, I hope they don't just go for the same "All humans are bad!" that most Primals have already done to death...

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There's no history or gravitas surrounding them in Eorzea (XIV). There is as VI's "contribution" to the story, and in their home game, but besides that the Warring Triad is just like Bahamut - primals from a bygone age who will probably go on a rampage and bring about a Calamity if left unchecked. In-universe, all we know is that they're called the Warring Triad. That's it. Out-of-universe we know the first of the three is named Sephirot, and from that we can infer the other two will be Zurvan and Sophia, but that tells us nothing of their character or motivations. Regardless, from what we understand sealing away primals just causes them to build up anger and hate they then take out on the world in its present state no matter who is to blame when they're let out of their can.

Granted, that's just running on Bahamut, and he was a kind of special case (kept conscious within Dalamud for five millennia while being forced to listen to his worshipers' pleas - understandably driven insane), but we don't yet know what the situation with the Triad is like yet. We see some foliage in Sephirot's arena, and there's organic gunk in the Triad Control chamber, but... nothin'. Now it would be really boring (or at least repetitive) to have them just replay Bahamut's wrath or just have them show up, fight us, and then disappear, but we don't know anything about the Triad in-universe yet, beyond that they were captured by the Allagans in 3AE and imprisoned on Azys Lla.

... we'll have to stop them anyway, because it's been drilled into our heads that "Primals are bad, mmkay?", but there is stuff they could do with them...