I guess we will just ignore that half of the post for the past weeks have been about PLD begging for changes, while I do have to agree I have a little stigma and kinda mix the threat now that I start think about it I do apologize because I had the mentality of the threat that was talking about how boring the class was, and had that " CHANGE EVERYTHING" type of mentality on this threat tho, I do agree that some of the new abilities of the class are fine and make the class good, like I said I'm still having my pld so when it comes to are you good with your pally ? yes, just make them balance and relevant as the other 2 tanks because if I main a class I shouldn't need to change to other classes to perform better on x amount of future content. and that's all we are asking.Quote:
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08-20-2015, 06:03 AMErcapote
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08-20-2015, 06:04 AMcarbonx
It's not that I wouldn't make tweaks to Paladin, but I think they would become too powerful and completely outweigh the other tanks.
Hallowed Ground, for instance, is the holy grail of a tanking ability. Holmgang/Living Dead are shit comparatively, since your healers still have to be on point whereas HG you can just cheese mechanics, healers can dps worry free. Their Convalescence and Awareness are buffed versions of the ones you get on DRK/WAR. They have raid utility the other classes just do not have. Cover, Divine Veil, Clemency, Stoneskin.
Really the only downside to Paladin is that you don't pull the same DPS (ask MT) as the other two classes, which could be argued to change, but groups are clearing just fine with Paladins. -
08-20-2015, 06:07 AMErcapotelmao IDK I'm just bored at work right now that's how I've been taking the time lately to do this ROLF. happened yesterday tho. who know this might be my last post, and if it's have a nice day we will discuss another time.Quote:
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08-20-2015, 06:08 AMRbstr
My several cents:
DRK is cool, with some minor tweaks easily making it my favorite. Dark Artsing skills to do different things is a cool mechanic I think is underutilized by the class.
Lessen the TP drain and make a few things more internally-synergistic: Dark Arts effects and skills could use some tweaking to work in a more fluid way. The evasion bonus on Dark Dance is bad and, even though I like all three in various ways, the three AOE skills don't come together like I think they should. Especially with DA in the mix. Finally Delirium should have a second debuff that gives it OT utility that isn't overwritten by the monk.
One thing with Paladin is that they don't really get the option to do a pull with some kind of big "enmity buff" on Rage of Halone. Sure they have Fof, but compared to unchained/zerk Butcher's Blocks or DA Power Slashes, it's not much.
Its lovely and all that PLDs want to do more damage. The question is, what do you want to give up in order to get it? They do less damage for a reason. They do have more basic physical mitigation than the others through blocking. -
08-20-2015, 06:11 AMDonjoYou cannot come into this kind of thread wielding factually false information and expect people to sit down and accept it. The fact of the matter is that Paladin doesn't have a single ability that has no use and all your ranting is doing is making you look silly.Quote:
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08-20-2015, 06:27 AMnyttynAwareness and Cover both have no use in the current content (For a paladin, Raw Intuition means Awareness is actually great on warriors lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by Donjo
The only time the former has ever had any use was Shiva Extreme, and the current expert roulette does not allow a paladin to gather up enough mobs that Awareness ever matters. I mean it might be a extremely tiny damage reduction, but for any real definiton of 'useless' it mitigates so little damage as to not even matter.
Cover is legitimately useless unless you fall asleep at your keyboard and a horde of physical mobs start wailing on a party member. But even then it's a super short duration on a super long cooldown so even in that edge case scenario that should never happen in the first place it's atrocious. -
08-20-2015, 06:29 AMIagainstiThis is getting weird #WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot??!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ercapote
Back to the "Balance" topic:
In the sake of balancing, let's give PLD a dps boost, and I want WAR and DRK to get access to the Block stat.
Since we are discussing balance, can't tip the scale #amIrightoramIright? #balance #/10balance #lolDrg -
08-20-2015, 06:32 AMPhoeniciaIn other words, let's make all three tanks into 1 class, DarkWarriodin.Quote:
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I like how #lolDRG made its way here.
P.S. It's official, I'm changing mains to SMN, that AF is too cute. lol
P.S.S. Since I'm changing mains to SMN, &*@$ tank balance. Any PLD wanna challenge me for some AoE DPS race?! :p -
08-20-2015, 07:05 AMDonjoDone. Now to go stack Spell Speed so that my speedier flashes win the DPS(Declothings Per Second) race.Quote:
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08-20-2015, 07:28 AMIagainstiThis will be my new hashtag. My eyes changed to hearts when I saw this. I'll be finishing all my posts, relevant or not, with #DarkWarriordin until we receive the Balance we want and derserve!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenicia