Loosing players after update?

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Originally Posted by Radaghast

I MAKE THINGS UP BASED ON MY OPINION.

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Assuming you are referring to me... I said many people, which could be as few as 4, and "I wager" as in I'd bet money on it. What I said is 100% accurate as to myself, and no fewer than 20 people I used to play this game with, "E.G. Our entire launch FC quit and has moved onto greener pastures." And in some cases, we've gone back to burnt pastures to see if they are fertile again.

Coming from FFXI, this game didn't live up to what I'd hoped it would be, and I'm sure many people feel the same as me. And now that newer games like Wildstar, Destiny, etc are launching, people are disappearing rapidly.

I come from xi as well. And while i didnt expect the same game at all, what i stumbled on seems like a dissapointment for a FF game.

We pay subs but this feels more like a f2p game with all the vanity. It has FF aesthetics but it doesnt feel very FF when you play it.

I always played the FF games because of the wide variety of jobs and all the fun and diversity they provided.

XIV calls its classes and jobs after originals from the other games but they dont really feel like it when you play them...

Maybe they should stop trying to be WoW and try to be more FF, after all, the title is FF

However i do have to peep in and say they got pretty creative with the DoL and DoH. ^^ the game still needs work though. And id like it if it headed into the direction of a more FF feel.

Sad to say that even though I'm only in a small fc of 12 people, all of us have now stopped playing xiv, with only two of us logging on once a day for gardening. Which once their grown, we will both stop too.
It's a shame that a game who's company asked us to trust they can make reborn work, have bought shame on to their brand by repeatedly slamming down the player base and ignoring anything that isn't high praise.

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Rev Toll is definitely less people now on Sargatanas anyway. I guess people are just bored. There is not much new in 2.38. Most people got their sand already from Hunt. Ramuh, no one still bother even with i110 rings. There only Relic Weapon left, and that won't hold people for that long since the grind is so huge and boring that force you to do more old content over and over again.

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O.O I'm in Rev Toll atm and it is full of people....

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Originally Posted by RiverTams

I come from xi as well. And while i didnt expect the same game at all, what i stumbled on seems like a dissapointment for a FF game.

We pay subs but this feels more like a f2p game with all the vanity. It has FF aesthetics but it doesnt feel very FF when you play it.

I always played the FF games because of the wide variety of jobs and all the fun and diversity they provided.

XIV calls its classes and jobs after originals from the other games but they dont really feel like it when you play them...

Maybe they should stop trying to be WoW and try to be more FF, after all, the title is FF

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If you could choose a number of things to change some being conservative and a few being all get out expensive, what would start your list to make the game feel more like a FF game?

I'm curious what would restore your FF feel the most.

Perhaps not for FF feel but some things I've always wanted:

I would like to work with the overworld (terrain/quest script) and music team for a bit of my desires, I think both are doing really great and my memories of FF games have a lot to do with the sounds and locations, quirks, the journey. I might see small changes made like different chocobo pathings to be more exciting and a better network, more FATEs with unique circumstance feeling more like a quest less like a leve (remember the WoW abomination quest*, relating to that also a few more unique chains) FATEs music not starting until you start the FATE, trying to ensure that the sound of the environment isn't too disjointed (a lot of interruptions doesn't let the soul of the area shine, imo), giving monsters their sight, sound, true sight, magic, and ect detection, making them have behaviors like was done in XI/1.0, things to find not made obvious like the riddle quest, removing invisible barriers**, less teleporting more natural travel***, bunch of little stuff and in the end I know that it would only meet tastes similar to mine. . Hard to be dev but don't stop giving feedback :P (just include examples of what you want too).

*There was a quest in vanilla WoW where you would start collecting random items that were like liver, intestine, and other meaty things. At the end of the fairly long quest chain you helped create an abomination for a bad guy who sends it against a town (Alliance), and you have to stop it. Other quest in WoW where you actually do an evil dead against your main city and get negative reputation and you have to redeem yourself. These were vanilla things, WoW actually has a lot of quirky quests since then too (some too quirky imo lol). A few someone made a wiki out of lol.

**Anywhere that isn't stopping you from going off the map imo (so when they/if add swimming, take out the walls make sure there are a few ramps and call it done deal).

*** I'm not saying wait 15 mins here, 5 mins there, 50 mins to get to your destination. You can have natural fast travel - riding the boat for 30 seconds to get to an island in WoW was neat (of course it was also open world, but still neat). When going from Aleport to Umbral island, that should be a boat ride imo (a fast one, but a ride). Also not saying "no" teleporting, just less.

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Above is not my only concerns or even primary, just encouragement for you to list some changes and the above being one of the things that kept me going in other MMOs even if I didn't like some larger blaring feature (bunch of little things making the "soul" of the game (soul being an imo ofc)).

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Originally Posted by RiverTams

I come from xi as well. And while i didnt expect the same game at all, what i stumbled on seems like a dissapointment for a FF game.

We pay subs but this feels more like a f2p game with all the vanity. It has FF aesthetics but it doesnt feel very FF when you play it.

I always played the FF games because of the wide variety of jobs and all the fun and diversity they provided.

XIV calls its classes and jobs after originals from the other games but they dont really feel like it when you play them...

Maybe they should stop trying to be WoW and try to be more FF, after all, the title is FF

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The classes cannot be how they are meant to be, unless you want a BRD sitting there doing confuse/toad/sleep on players in PVP and Nin would be nothing like FFXI, they'd have no images from magical attacks and be able to use almost any wep plus toss them (plus stuff like flare/flood etc.) SMN would be a GIANT mobber with a giant mp drain and cd. BLM would have no elemental wheel and spells like stop and break.

It's hard to implement this kind of stuff and find a balance, They could do things exactly like they would in a single player game but... it'd really break the balance of stuff and even if they nerfed / adjusted it... you can't make stuff the original SMN without a huge burst of dmg... just not right imo... >_>; And it'd be super unbalanced to allow certain things I think. (There's just adjustments that had to be made to make an appropriate balance for an MMO game.)

Anyways; I sorta feel like the population is low sometimes but... other times it feels really populated and I realize it's probably just me or the day itself and while I'm sure people undoubtedly quit the game or took a big break due to some patches... I think people will return to try Ninja in 2.4 and see if it's anything worth leveling/playing for again. Some will quit even with Ninja added after a bit and so on though, it's how some stuff goes. I wouldn't let it stress you too much, it happens.

Famfrit, a low population server, yesterday....had a queue line.

I highly doubt its a queue line to quit the game....

I think its fine if some of these people quit, it'll help ease the queue lines for people who actually enjoy the game and enjoy the features we currently have offered to us.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

And I'd wager most of their dedicated FFXI players have left to play wildstar or gone back to FFXI.

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Tbh, I'm actually thinking of going back to XI. There's just not much to do in XIV, especially since they out date content as fast as they release it, we're all pretty much paying for 2-3 days a week of gameplay :/ Seriously, it's kind of a huge let down that you can do everything you can possibly do in that week...on a tuesday.

I honestly don't know how people can sit here and deny the fact, XIV is losing players and quite quickly. It's fairly obvious, just by taking a look at all the populated places that are almost ghost towns now and the lack of anything on PF / hunts, compared to a few months ago.

I agree, SE could have made XIV a great game. It feels like they realized they messed up and are just trying to get as much money as possible before it dies off. Which it will happen. I can promise you, with the way SE is doing things, it'll either go f2p or die off within the next year, unless they do something.

As I've said in multiple topics, I don't get why SE went the WoW model for XIV. It's been proven in the last couple of years, that those who go that route end up killing themselves off within 1-2 years or even a few months. Remember Wildstar? Whats Wildstar? Exactly. Even Archeage seems to be going that route, after all the hype they built up about it being different (it's not). SE already has a mmo that's lasted for 11+ years (XI), so I'm not sure why they didn't base more ideas off of that. There's a reason it's lasted for so long.





>_> Now to sit back and watch the butt hurt people come in and try to argue with me, with high chances of them dragging their FC members in to attack too lol Because that's all people do on the forums when someone posts valid points or good ideas. "What's this? That guy is correct on the issue? Better attack him and bring my FC members in to help too"

@ Obysuca; not gonna even argue SE did mess up here and there, I don't agree with some of your points... like as far as I know? AA's biggest problem was the PK killings going on for anyone after lvl 30 but it was at some point you'd just be PK'd in a map that was being PvP'd on unless you're at the safety stone. Builds are a bit broken too there. (Though if I remember right some of that is similar to WoW. but maybe not? didn't really play it.)

Wildstar, I actually liked the game but.. I didn't like the map system among other things and I was already paying for this anyways. :x

I don't completely agree that the game will die next yr. But I don't think that they should base everything 100% around weekly content either. There's still time to change things...

However overall we got barely any content under the base of it all really, sure we got small little stuff here and there but nothing big like expansions or game changing contents.

Also if they based stuff around FFXI then why not play FFXI? there would be no point, they need to try to take FFXIV into a route of it's own IMO not the route of other or older games like FFXI or WoW. :x

(FFXI has had expansions out the buns by now too as well as other games so.... I can't really judge FFXIV based on the processor fairly.)

Oh and No FC members for me considering I only got a two person one. :P

Edit: Oh and some of my own thoughts are.... There's just nothing to do atm, it goes beyond personal housing. Most content has been beaten by players who did do everything, who can ex primal, who do coil, who got T9 on farm or even people whose at T9 and progressively going through it.. after raid time, there's almost nothing left to do.

Granted some people are still stuck on T5 or ex primal etc but I'd gander that some that passed that stage start to think "Now what to do next? Blank" Because that was really all that they could find left to challenge themselves with IG that they actually cared about unless they are going to Atma farm which some players don't really care for, or raid which again... not everyone cares for and the same goes for hunts so yeah...