What's with the Early Pull Brigade?

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

... bunch of bogus hypotheticals...

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In reality, the people being frozen/stoned etc. will have a better chance to get full credit because after the reset those debuffs would have had the time to wear off and they can just easily pew-pew some more and get their full credit. And that is what people do and there is no issue.The only person that has problem with that is the solo early pulling troll, who would never get full credit anyways but now has their plan to be a jerk to everyone else foiled and is really unhappy about it and resorts to complaining on the forums and making up stories.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Actions have consequences. Making up stories and complaining about won't change that simple truth.

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That is, how do you say, correctomundo. You would think people would learn that by age 7.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

In reality, the people being frozen/stoned etc. will have a better chance to get full credit because after the reset those debuffs would have had the time to wear off and they can just easily pew-pew some more and get their full credit. And that is what people do and there is no issue.The only person that has problem with that is the solo early pulling troll, who would never get full credit anyways but now has their plan to be a jerk to everyone else foiled and is really unhappy about it and resorts to complaining on the forums and making up stories.

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So what happened to me personally is now "bogus hypotheticals"? Maahes was reset twice, both times within ten seconds of me personally receiving the petrify debuff. That's TWENTY entire seconds I was unable to take any action whatsoever and was forced to helplessly watch Maahes' HP bar melt like butter because by the second reset the entire horde of Mor Dhona AFKers had shown up to leech off of MY find that I had shouted a <pos> on to the zone.

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Originally Posted by Trell

That is, how do you say, correctomundo. You would think people would learn that by age 7.

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You'd also think people would learn not to accuse people of lying with less than zero proof of such by age 7, but here you are. I guess you're secretly 6?

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

... but people griefing the group hunts also deserve to be reported for griefing and be blacklisted and/or removed from the hunt LS. Actions have consequences. Making up stories and complaining about won't change that simple truth.

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As much as I personally agree that this such actions can be perceived as griefing, you do realize there is no such thing as "an early pull" in this game, yes? It's not against the ToS to do so. Though, as our friendly neighborhood LGM has stated, the social connotations of "early pulling" can have a negative impact on their game play experience (which is another debate entirely).

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

In reality, the people being frozen/stoned etc. will have a better chance to get full credit because after the reset those debuffs would have had the time to wear off and they can just easily pew-pew some more and get their full credit. And that is what people do and there is no issue.The only person that has problem with that is the solo early pulling troll, who would never get full credit anyways but now has their plan to be a jerk to everyone else foiled and is really unhappy about it and resorts to complaining on the forums and making up stories.

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Not always: For example, group of 2 tanks and 6 WHMs go into a S-Rank hunt. WHMs burn through all their MP using Cure III, Medica, and Medica II. Mobs get reset and all WHMS are near depleted in MP with no real way to recover that MP. How do you propose they get their contribution points now? No matter how you look at it, a reset can and most likely will harm several people despite the intentions of the reset itself.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

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Not always: For example, group of 2 tanks and 6 WHMs go into a S-Rank hunt. WHMs burn through all their MP using Cure III, Medica, and Medica II. Mobs get reset and all WHMS are near depleted in MP with no real way to recover that MP. How do you propose they get their contribution points now? ....

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When you are frozen/stoned your MP recovers. I have an alt that is a WHM. And you don't need to go all out on spamming to get full credit on a S-rank. Just 3 AOE cures of any flavor will do. There is never a case where you are low on MP while on hunts. This isn't T2 where you have to spam those heals with the enrage method for 5 minutes. All these are hypotheticals. They can happen, but the odds of them happening is like less than 0.1%. I've seen many resets, not once have I seen people complaining about not getting credit. The resets have always been welcome by many, and you can see all the shouts of thanks. And it gives the early puller cover too, people forget about what they did, or more willing to let it slide.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

When you are frozen/stoned your MP recovers. I have an alt that is a WHM. And you don't need to go all out on spamming to get full credit on a S-rank. Just 3 AOE cures of any flavor will do. There is never a case where you are low on MP while on hunts. This isn't T2 where you have to spam those heals with the enrage method for 5 minutes. All these are hypotheticals. They can happen, but the odds of them happening is like less than 0.1% of the time. I've seen many resets, not once have I seen people complaining about not getting credit. The resets have always been welcome by many, and you can see all the shouts of thanks. And it give the early puller cover too, people forget about what they did.

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So I guess the lead GM weighing in and saying "this is detrimental to players and is reportable and potentially actionable" means nothing to you? The testimonials of myself and numerous others in the thread in question mean nothing to you?

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

When you are frozen/stoned your MP recovers. I have an alt that is a WHM. And you don't need to go all out on spamming to get full credit on a S-rank. Just 3 AOE cures of any flavor will do. There is never a case where you are low on MP while on hunts. This isn't T2 where you have to spam those heals with the enrage method for 5 minutes. All these are hypotheticals. They can happen, but the odds of them happening is like less than 0.1%.

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The Hunt on your server must consist of 10 people. A ranks die in all of 10-20 seconds on more populated servers. Death/debuffs last longer than that. You also have to consider that as more people arrive, marks start to disappear, which makes it harder to hit the target to get any credit at all.

Back when people used to reset, I lost credit completely almost every time that someone did so.

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

So I guess the lead GM weighing in and saying "this is detrimental to players and is reportable and potentially actionable" means nothing to you? The testimonials of myself and numerous others in the thread in question mean nothing to you?

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You obviously don't understand the meaning of detrimental. When trolls are messing up hunts and being detrimental to everyone else, resets are the solution. The troll can go ahead and attempt to abuse the report system, but I'm sure the GM will dismiss their bogus claims.

And people working together trying to help everyone get full credit will not be bullied by your false claims and misleading interpretations of the TOS or GM statement.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

All these are hypotheticals. They can happen, but the odds of them happening is like less than 0.1%

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I think there's enough testimonial in the posts before to state that resets have been incredibly useful to many people but at the same time have detrimentally hampered someone else's game play. Stating otherwise is ignoring the giant elephant in the room.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

When you are frozen/stoned your MP recovers.

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I wasn't talking about any scenario where your healer gets disabled, I'm talking about a scenario where your healer runs out of MP building their contribution and cannot get MP back in any reasonable fashion, thus neutering them of their Seals if someone resets the mob. Big difference. On that note:

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

And you don't need to go all out on spamming to get full credit on a S-rank. Just 3 AOE cures of any flavor will do. There is never a case where you are low on MP while on hunts.

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I've hunted an S-rank where I've bled my entire MP dry in Medica's, Cure III's, and Medica II's just when I need to refresh the HoT on my group. I still only managed to get 30 seals that hunt. I guess this is my anecdotal evidence versus yours. Let's call it a draw on this one.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

I've seen many resets, not once have I seen people complaining about not getting credit.

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Once again, refer to examples from other posters before. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen either.

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In passing, hunts are really badly designed, and bring out the worst in all sides of these arguments and debates, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Brine_Gildchaff

You'd also think people would learn not to accuse people of lying with less than zero proof of such by age 7, but here you are. I guess you're secretly 6?

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lol... I was actually referring to the part of the statement about actions and consequences, and how many people on this thread don't see the correlation between the two. Your retort was amusing though - I'll give you that.