Tank disrespect.

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Originally Posted by Nabian

Your type of player are the ones that get vote kicked as well. If for some reason I choose to go as DD, and I'm pulling mobs it's because I feel your moving at a pace that is too slow for the group to handle.

If there are more than 2 mobs you can bet your a$$ i'll be using AoE moves right out the gate. If you purposefully kill others by not performing your role then you deserve a one way ticket out of the dungeon.

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I ran into a DRG that played like this in Tam-Tara while doing low level roulette on SCH. The tank was new, so he wasn't moving fast; it was steady (he was marking mobs and such) but not fast enough for the DRG, who started pulling everything. I asked him twice to let the tank do his job (how else is he gonna learn?) and then put Eos away and stopped DPS'ing in favor of focus healing the tank. Sure enough, the DRG didn't even notice, ran into a room with four mobs, and died. He res'ed without a word and kept doing it. We got to the altar with two groups of mobs at it and he decided to pull that room. The tank managed to get the mobs off of him, but he was nearly dead for the entire encounter. I asked him again to quit pulling; he responded "Other people need healing too, you know." I'd been healing the THM when needed throughout the dungeon because he wasn't being an asshat. I told the DRG if he'd stop pulling on purpose I'd be happy to heal him. He ragequit as soon as the encounter ended. No big loss.

As soon as he left, I apologized for the drama and resummoned Eos. We had another DPS within a minute or two. If people aren't going to play nice, I'm certainly not going to enable their behavior.

I admittedly have a soft spot for new tanks. I like them to have every opportunity to end up as good ones.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

This is the reason why i always ask if group wants medium or big pulls when doing DF roulettes, and i usually wait response from healer and not from DPS as its pretty much up to them how much i can pull.

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Yup. I always ask. I don't assume everyone wants a speed run even if they're geared for it.

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Originally Posted by DuelingPokemon

Pretty much this. If its a random group, Im willing to go at a pace and figure out what my healer can/cannot handle. I might be the one who's holding the enemies attention but they're the ones who are keeping us all alive.

Now a Free Company run is an entirely different story in regards to pulls. -chuckles-

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Bahaha. My FC parties end up with ridiculously huge pulls for them to nuke. It's fun as hell. xD

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Originally Posted by Malkaviano

I'm going to start saying i never saw a so crap implementation of aggro in all MMOs i ever played. The aggro is so tight, if i need a cooldown to defend myself i can lose it.

Now to the disrespect part, DPS pull the aggro and keep blaming tanks for not generating aggro, like we already did not spam OP and Flash enough, and to make it worse they don't get enough dmg and keep bragging about "i'm tanking".

Well i'm done, i tanked in WoW and AoC, but this game needs a revision.

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sorry no INSTANT AGGRO YADA YADA YOLO SWAG WOW STYLE in this game, learn to tank OP!

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

As soon as he left, I apologized for the drama and resummoned Eos. We had another DPS within a minute or two. If people aren't going to play nice, I'm certainly not going to enable their behavior.

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I would like to point out at this point to any DPS that might see this. DPS are a dime a dozen. There is no composition requirements for any of the regular dungeons. YOU DO NOT run the raid. YOU DO NOT call the shots. YOU DO NOT make the rules. YOU ARE NOT special. In fact, YOU ARE as replaceable as a 50 cent light bulb. "We had another DPS within a minute of two" About the time it takes to replace a light bulb. DPS learn to not focus on one target, watch your enmity meters, the tab button is there not just so you can switch from one dead mobs to a live one, your DOTs do more damage when they are on more than one mob at a time, your AOE is generally worth more when there are 3+ mobs, and your healer has enough on their plate healing the tank, they don't need your dumb ass taking aggro and taking damage, so watch yourself before you wreck yourself. Your armor is paper thin and your HP is next to worthless compared to those of us tanks that actually are built for taking damage, so either learn your place or my healer (Who is not the person I quoted above, but they are a lot alike) WILL let your idiotic ass die. You aren't cool, and you aren't getting a commendation when you act stupid.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

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A few bad experiences, aren't enough to generalize all DPS as worthless.

Which is the stench your post is giving off.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

In fact, YOU ARE as replaceable as a 50 cent light bulb.

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Try to find a normal, cheap light bulb in Europe. If you find one, please tell me where.

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Originally Posted by Naryoril

Try to find a normal, cheap light bulb in Europe. If you find one, please tell me where.

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Cyprus. about 40 cents each

This is sort of a 2 way thing. Heck just the other day 3 of us from the fc (other 2 were new to th dungeon) did Tam Tara HM,
well the random tank decided to do mass pulls, i used Quelling Strikes a nd even waited a little bit before i attacked and guess what i got agro on almost every mob.
We did manage to get to the final boss upon which i only realized then my allies from the fc were new there so had no time to explain it, so yes we did wipe.
Upon this point the tank said what the hell and learn to do your #&*!^~% jobs. So the healer said cool it dude and he left. So not only tanks get no respect.
Myself i have great respect for tanks and healers just not d bags like the one i mentioned

I don't know too many players that get respect, regardless of their role. I know I must be misunderstanding somewhere but just because you play a tank doesn't mean you instantly deserve respect.

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

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That post is about as useful as me going on about tanks who can't keep aggro against WHM regen (mid fight, not the start) or don't use flash. By all means, do your runs without the healers or DPS who all apparently pale to your awesomeness. :D

Disrespect gets tossed around to everyone, regardless of role. Mostly due to many people thinking they have the ONLY way of doing things, and a total lack of communication.

Examples:

1. Tank pulls whole dungeon, marking nothing. During the mad dash, there are some straggling mobs that don't immediately clump at the killzone. A BLM uses AoE, hitting a couple that arrive a split second too late, and they rush to him. Tank blames BLM. BLM blames tank. Neither had noticed or planned for the stragglers.

2. Healer likes to sleep mobs. SMN likes to use Bane. Neither knows what the other is planning, so DoTs get Baned onto a sleeping mob or two, and wakes them up. SMN blames WHM, WHM blames SMN.

3. Tank isn't all that geared or experienced, and is trying to improve. Synced SCH just goes full DPS, letting Eos heal, which is overpowered for, say, Satasha, so Eos keeps getting smacked. SCH blames tank, tank blames SCH. Neither knew what the other was going to be doing.

Getting on the same page at the start would prevent a lot of drama.