Adding a political system

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

And another ad-hominem!

As much "good" as you are. You presented an idea. I pointed out the flaws and potential issues in that idea.

I realize you think "being useful" is basically "agreeing with your idea". However, that's not the way it works.

My criticisms have been very specific and consistent... Your idea is whimsical, not well thought out, not well planned, and you keep changing the way you're pitching it.

Perhaps if you were to take that away from the discussion, better think out the idea. Put it in a better and more clearly thought out format, even if only as an initial "pitch", like Amineri did... You'd have received a better reaction from it.

Instead, you get offended, get your panties in a wad, go into spin mode and start lashing out about it.

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You didn't mention anything constructive, and by that I mean, what would you do differently? I'm asking you to imagine yourself in a leadership position, and you respond by saying "No! I don't wanna! That's stupid! No! Just No! No! *stumps foots around* No! It's stupid, stupid, stupid! You're Stupid and Lazy! No!" So if you cannot even do anything metaphorically, then what good are you?

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Originally Posted by Dyne

But that's not your ideas isn't it? Exactly. All I had was the basic idea, and left it to someone else in the forums to add to it and make it deeper. That is called brainstorming. You were out of line for calling me "lazy" and expecting me to present the whole entire thing by myself. Even her ideas can still be expanded on by someone else, but it cannot be done with a bunch of negative nancies who all they do is say "no" all day.

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Oh cut the bullshit already, will you?

For one, once again, I *did* present reasons why I felt it wouldn't work. Or maybe you just stop reading at the words "won't work" and ignore all the reasons why.

You presented little more than "wouldn't it be cool to be able to rule cities and have control over how people experience the game". And then left it to others to "fill out the idea" and make it workable instead of even trying to put in a hair of effort to that end yourself. That *is* lazy. You're asking people to endorse and stand behind an idea that you're not even willing enough to put more than a whimsical thought into before presenting it.

Amineri's post is *exactly* what your initial post should have been. Well thought out, thorough and shows a degree of effort beyond "gee, it'd be cool if people could be the rulers of a city... Hey, I'm gonna take this completely arbitrary idea to the forums so other people can develop the idea for me!"

Just read Amineri's post and keep it in mind for the next time you want to present an idea.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Oh cut the bullshit already, will you?

For one, once again, I *did* present reasons why I felt it wouldn't work. Or maybe you just stop reading at the words "won't work" and ignore all the reasons why.

You presented little more than "wouldn't it be cool to be able to rule cities and have control over how people experience the game". And then left it to others to "fill out the idea" and make it workable instead of even trying to put in a hair of effort to that end yourself. That *is* lazy. You're asking people to endorse and stand behind an idea that you're not even willing enough to put more than a whimsical thought into before presenting it.

Amineri's post is *exactly* what your initial post should have been. Well thought out, thorough and shows a degree of effort beyond "gee, it'd be cool if people could be the rulers of a city... Hey, I'm gonna take this completely arbitrary idea to the forums so other people can develop the idea for me!"

Just read Amineri's post and keep it in mind for the next time you want to present an idea.

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Ok, so if Amineri presented the same idea about having a political system, you are for it. So that means, adding a political system in the game could work. So I win.

Bottomline is, I wanted a political system added, it doesn't matter how they come up with it. They don't have to take my ideas on how to go about it, they can take somebody else's and that's totally fine. I have my way, they have their way, either way it's a political system. How would you go about it?

I hate the idea of any individual influencing my gameplay. I'm sure many others feel the same way.

If there were a political system implemented I would want to have the choice to vote for an NPC. I'm pretty sure that 99% of the time the NPC would be in power and keeping things the way they are. Giving people the option of giving someone else more power than them or keeping them on equal standing, the majority will always choose to be on equal standing.

Don't be a cynic.

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Originally Posted by Gun_Anam

I hate the idea of any individual influencing my gameplay. I'm sure many others feel the same way.

If there were a political system implemented I would want to have the choice to vote for an NPC. I'm pretty sure that 99% of the time the NPC would be in power and keeping things the way they are. Giving people the option of giving someone else more power than them or keeping them on equal standing, the majority will always choose to be on equal standing.

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This is an MMORPG. Every individual in the game influences your gameplay. What do you think a linkshell leader is? You are not hunting that NM or doing those leves with your linkshell just because you felt like it. At some point, the leader had to organize it. It wasn't an npc that took the effort to make an event happen.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

You presented little more than "wouldn't it be cool to be able to rule cities and have control over how people experience the game". And then left it to others to "fill out the idea" and make it workable instead of even trying to put in a hair of effort to that end yourself. That *is* lazy.

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No, that's how a forum works.
Many people share their ideas, and maybe something great is the result:)
I'm not all in for the idea of a political system, I already saw it destroy another game I once enjoyed.
But I think the basic idea is good, and could bring lots of fun to the players if executed right.

Btw, Dyne: Gosh, stop triple-posting already!:mad:
There's a button called "Edit"-Button out there somewhere, learn how to use it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y594VfpRWbA

Here, watch FFXI Hitler. Enjoy!

While it sounds nice and all the game wasn't really built for that lol.