Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

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Originally Posted by Bloopan

[1]Watch a video and/or read guides before going through it.

Be more aware, the time you spent learning can save you the frustration of going over and over a run.

[2]You are now eligible for it but that doesnt mean you are "good to go"

Your gears play a crucial part in terms of clearing a run so if you think/know that your barely getting that requirement, use your time more wisely by running more appropriate dungeons so you'll be more prepared for the higher ones.

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Why should I be forced to watch a video?. Did the people that did that content before me watch video?. I'll answer that for you in advance NO!!!.I'll DF new content and I'll learn as I go along thanks!. If you don't like it then make your own damn party and stop being such an ass!. I do agree with the gear Levels though when people enter harder content in low gear is just stupid!.

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Originally Posted by Chippy2

Did the people that did that content before me watch video?.

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Probably. I'm sure most of them watched how other fcs do it like with "Worlds first". Unless you're a super hardcore gamer and in a good fc/ls, it will take you a lot longer to be at their level.

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Originally Posted by Chippy2

Why should I be forced to watch a video?.

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To find ways to improve your game and get better. You'll have more fun when you're good at things I suppose instead of wiping over and over.

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Originally Posted by Chippy2

Why should I be forced to watch a video?. Did the people that did that content before me watch video?. I'll answer that for you in advance NO!!!.I'll DF new content and I'll learn as I go along thanks!. If you don't like it then make your own damn party and stop being such an ass!. I do agree with the gear Levels though when people enter harder content in low gear is just stupid!.

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Yes, the people in your group most likely watched videos or read a general guide on the mechanics of the fight. Would you except their advise on how best to do the fight? If yes, then why not be prepared and do the research yourself? They are basically regurgitating what is already available to you. If you don't want to know anything about the fight, and want to wing it, why should they sit there and wait for you? If you want to do a endgame raid with other individuals that don't want to do any research, then make a PF group yourself.

There is never guna be a conclusion to his argument. people who think you should watch a video before you try content want those who dont want to watch a video to make their own parties and vice versa. maybe everyone should stop using the duty finder haha

I'm fine with people not watching videos for any of the dungeons, up to Pharos Sirius and Labyrinth of the Ancients. If I am experienced enough compared to the rest of the party, even for primals or Coil, I'd take some time aside and explain stuff to them. Not clearing after 10 or 15 attempts will get to me as well. But under 10 attempts, I am willing to teach people who are willing to learn the fight.

Call me stupid for helping a DF party learn Siren by wiping 70 minutes at it, and still eventually failing the duty. Sure I got frustrated a few times. But in the end, I hoped that I at least helped these people to be more familiar with the fight. And that's all I really aim for. I feel that I have a duty to the help improve the community in any way I can, which is why I did not just up and leave after 2 wipes. It would have been all the more satisfying had we actually cleared it.

Everyone here just goes on and on about how bad players are - have you actually done anything to improve this situation at all? Shunning new players for "not watching videos", sure doesn't help. Not everyone learns by watching videos, I am the sort who learns by hands-on experience. Funny how people complain about bad players, but not helping to actually help those bad players become good players. It's like teachers on the first day of school complaining why their students did not finish reading the entire textbook before the first day of class.

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Originally Posted by Boris1988

There is never guna be a conclusion to his argument. people who think you should watch a video before you try content want those who dont want to watch a video to make their own parties and vice versa. maybe everyone should stop using the duty finder haha

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Party Finder is the conclusion to this argument.

Queuing with random people and feeling entitled to getting a specific skill level is an egocentric, pigheaded opinion. Especially when Party Finder exists with an ilvl restriction option.

Like, wth? Nobody owes them anything. If you don't like the skill level, either try to raise it through explanation or flame/ragequit like a typical douche.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

Party Finder is the conclusion to this argument.

Queuing with random people and feeling entitled to getting a specific skill level is an egocentric, pigheaded opinion. Especially when Party Finder exists with an ilvl restriction option.

Like, wth? Nobody owes them anything. If you don't like the skill level, either try to raise it through explanation or flame/ragequit like a typical douche.

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I am missing where it says in this thread only DF....can you point that out?

You can't DF Coil, so there goes the only true endgame content. If you DF extreme primals, I feel bad for you. There are plenty of PF 'learning' groups and 'farm' groups. So what you posted is pointless. Read the title of this thread.

The problem with even trying to explain stuff to people is this... they don't listen and they don't give 2 shits. I still ask if people are new but other then the usual greetings its just crickets.

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Originally Posted by Sunah

The problem with even trying to explain stuff to people is this... they don't listen and they don't give 2 shits. I still ask if people are new but other then the usual greetings its just crickets.

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A lot of players take it personal when you try to teach them and they will play however they want to play.

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Originally Posted by Sunah

The problem with even trying to explain stuff to people is this... they don't listen and they don't give 2 shits. I still ask if people are new but other then the usual greetings its just crickets.

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Originally Posted by Doo

A lot of players take it personal when you try to teach them and they will play however they want to play.

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I will admit I have never come across this problem though. Whenever I have players who are new to the dungeon, or players who are obviously struggling with their class, whenever I take the time to explain something to them, they're willing to listen. I have been playing this game since 3 days after launch, at the beginning of September.

Perhaps it's in the delivery of said explanation?