Tank-specific tips for Extreme Primals

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Originally Posted by bokchoykn

Fact: Tanks need this fight just as much as DPS or Healers do.

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Worth noting that the Vortex Ring of Fending is generally considered to be crap.

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Originally Posted by kayuwoody

Bear in mind that most groups clearing Garuda EX actually significantly outgear the content. That's the only reason why the 2 way actually works. If you DF it and end up with half a party of people who are around the ilvl requirement on DF, you'd be much better off doing a 3 way pull.

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I've seen DF groups attempt it. 6/6 failed -- a pretty lovely record. In 2 of them, someone raged and the party bailed. In 1/6, we went back to DWW and the OT just couldn't keep aggro. On the other 3, we succeeded in clearing the fight using DWW. The reality is that when I eat DWW without any healer help and with no parries, I come out other side with over 4000 HP in reserve. I once had two good healers and ate no damage at all from the burst (Crit adlo + Stoneskin + Sacred Soil = two zeros from the WWs). I always run with my i82 pentameld set. You can certainly be geared in i67 and do DWW.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Worth noting that the Vortex Ring of Fending is generally considered to be crap.

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Most people who regularly clear Primals do it for weapons on alt classes, in addition to i90 accessories. So a player whose tank is their only means to beat Extreme Primals still needs to kill Garuda.

I don't think Vortex Ring of Fending is "crap". Yeah, secondary stats are not in the right place, but secondary stats are trash anyway. For those who can't get the Allagan Ring of Fending to drop, this is the only 15 VIT alternative (assuming your other ring is Hero's Ring of Fending). The ring is pretty sought after for that reason by both Tank mains and Tank alts alike. Some people prefer Ultima, but I think Vortex is still better.

Hi all,

I have a quick tanking question on Titan EX adds.
So currently, I pick up the adds, tank them at 3 o'clock on + bomb, wait for LS and move to 4-5 o'clock on X bomb and from there, I'm not very clean.

I'd often have one add died at 3 o'clock which prevents me to go back there to avoid the explosion from the X bomb. So I tend to move again at 6 o'clock (where the rest of the party is) to avoid the blast but that make the remaining gaoler to target the single LS towards the group which kinda sucks. Idealy, both should be dead by that time but it's not always the case unfortunately. Of course, if the 3 o'clock position is clear, I'd go there for safety.
I don't want to try going the other way (2o'clock) because there's very little space to avoid landslide and I don't want risking the MT to be in the line of LS.

Can someone advise on the better positioning to avoid the bombs while tanking the adds?
It's not so much of an issue (DPS either move in to avoid LS or I eat the bomb which isn't too much damage) but every time I've cleared Titan Ex, that part has always been a little bit sloppy.
Thank you

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Originally Posted by Shinkyo

I don't want to try going the other way (2o'clock) because there's very little space to avoid landslide and I don't want risking the MT to be in the line of LS.

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Tell your DPS to kill both adds close to the same time or run to 2 o'clock. If the adds are at 3 o'clock, landslide will be straight up and won't reach the main tank. Even if it does, a good main tank can just side step it or pop Tempered Will/Hallowed Ground/Holmgang. It's not that big a deal.

Mainly dps issue if one add dies significantly before other, u doing it right as u said, 3clock than 4clock to dodge LS than back to 3o'clock, even if one dies early it seems u can walk over the AOE without getting heavy, move towards 2o'clock, the last add should be on top of left over AOE, walk around AOE to dodge the mini add LS, than back near 2/3 oclock.

Can't Edit with phone, I'm usually able to walk over the AOE if add die just as moving back to 3 o'clock, continue moving two 2clock, edge.

So I just failed tanking Garuda Extreme for the 170th time in a row. I would say this fight literally cannot be done if I didn't know so many people who have. Managing cooldowns for two wicked wheels, dodging two sets of slipstreams and watching the OT stacks for spiny is impossible. It's too many things to watch all at once. Dps complaining that I'm not watching text chat as well for their wanting me to move where I tank them is just absurd.

How are other people actually able to do this? Is watching five mechanics at once just easy for other people and I can't manage it? Or is there some trick that lets you ignore some of it?

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Originally Posted by KlingybunFistelvase

How are other people actually able to do this? Is watching five mechanics at once just easy for other people and I can't manage it? Or is there some trick that lets you ignore some of it?

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Short answer is yes, its just easy for some of us. Try OTing, its a lot more friendly to someone having your issues. If that isn't an option, realize everything is timed. One HP trigger that you can look for. If you are doing it with a static, or familiar people, look for the signs! I'd post more but if you do some looking there are lots of suggestions/guides for this fight.

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Originally Posted by KlingybunFistelvase

Managing cooldowns for two wicked wheels, dodging two sets of slipstreams and watching the OT stacks for spiny is impossible.

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1. Put waymark on the ground. A in North West for main tank. B in South West for range DPS. C in South East for off tank.
2. Put either your off-tank or garuda as your focus target. If you put garuda, move the party list close to center so you don't have to look on the side to see stacks. Move focus target and the target bar to center of the screen so you see everything in the center.
3. Make a macro that counts 20-22 seconds with a sound effects. Hit it when Garuda spawn the sister. It's not accurate but on average it's enough to remind you to put up cooldown. Make it so when you hear the sound effect, put up cooldown. PLD's duration is long so you're sure to have it. If you have garuda on focus target, when you see the cast bar start moving, it's slipstream. Wicked Wheel usually follows in tornadoes phase.
4. Dodging slipstream is simple as watching when garuda or suparna stop attacking and run through them. Their animation is pretty noticeable so train your eyes to detect sudden stop of movement.

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Originally Posted by KlingybunFistelvase

Dps complaining that I'm not watching text chat as well for their wanting me to move where I tank them is just absurd.

How are other people actually able to do this? Is watching five mechanics at once just easy for other people and I can't manage it? Or is there some trick that lets you ignore some of it?

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i Focus Target Garuda at the very get go, 2.16 hot fix has it stay up even if she jumps so i can see her slip + im mainly targeting suparna to see theirs
in the bubble ill fast > savage garuda > then roh suparna + flash garuda+suparna
then when im in the NW corner i fast > cos > savage suparna and roh garuda
when they jump dodge feather > on reappear pop 2 CD > flash > cont tanking