Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

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Originally Posted by NightWrath

Do it with any end game content then i talk about it with u.

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Our bard just took the last 4th of the final boss of AK down by circling around while backpedaling. End game content. go.

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Originally Posted by Espi

Proof please.

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read the limit break brds get a heal limit break not a dd one why because there were never supposed to be a full offensive job or go back and read some of yoshi old letter or read the questions from the beta or go read the questions from the old live letters its been stated many times brd is not supposed to be a full offensive class i wish they wouldve left it like it was a full support job

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Originally Posted by Espi

Proof please.

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Uh, because they're clearly, clearly, a support class. Sure some of the buffs collect dust, but they all are meant to enhance the group and ballad...ballad...ballad.

Not to mention the -damage penalty ballad imposes.

Oh, and the healing limit break.

When i heard they were changing the sub classes I was concerned - but now I think on it, if they changed it back to a class with support skills like conjurer, that might be a nice buff to our functionality as a support class...

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Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage

More support? Are you guys thinking before write this kind of things? What are we going to cast? Protect? Or stoneskin? For sure will be stronger than the whm/sch one >_<

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please think before u post stone skin and protect are set values now read there tooltips lol or better yet read your character stats unlike 1.0 there are no longer any stats that increase buffs smh >_<

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Originally Posted by knite23

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Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage

More support? Are you guys thinking before write this kind of things? What are we going to cast? Protect? Or stoneskin? For sure will be stronger than the whm/sch one >_<

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please think before u post stone skin and protect are set values now read there tooltips lol or better yet read your character stats unlike 1.0 there are no longer any stats that increase buffs smh >_<

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For the record, a pugilist's stoneskin (10% of target's hp) and protect (Only physical defense) is as strong as an SCH or PLD's, because only whm gets traits to enhance them (18% of target's hp, and protect gets magic defense).

So take some of your own advice.

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Originally Posted by Steeled

For the record, a pugilist's stoneskin (10% of target's hp) and protect (Only physical defense) is as strong as an SCH or PLD's, because only whm gets traits to enhance them (18% of target's hp, and protect gets magic defense).

So take some of your own advice.

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your rite sir only whm.... it clearly says whm/sch and the point hes tying to make is because brds buffs arnt as strong as whm buffs which i repeat clearly says whm/sch they would never be a reason to use them which is clearly false and understood by anyone who played brd in 1.0 and even now ive been in plenty of parties without any whm the point is supporting is supporting its not about who cast the better buff its about making sure the buffs are up and the healers arnt wasting there mana or time to cast the buff thus the TERM support not only that our support job was to raise anyone who was dead buff them and heal if a healer went down so yes i took the advice and read it but my point is very clear thanks and this is wat i was editing my post with along with that whm are the only ones who can to a better protect and ss but since u had to jump to correct me before i could finish editing it u get my full response lol thanks for the correction though

To be honest, there's no scenario where a bard would need to cast protect. You always always have a healer, or you're not doing something where you're going to die.

I suppose if they add a boss that constantly dispels buffs..

And at 50, stoneskin costs 266 mp. Believe it or not, it drains fast on a whm or sch if you spam it. I'll use it on a tank sometimes, or a weakened target helping them edge through til weakness wears, but I can't imagine a job with 1400 mp (or whatever bard actually has) would want to spam it. It's a good spell at certain points for PLD, but I know how it feels on such a little mp pool.

You want your bard to have full mp to get max time out of songs. They'd have to alter the job quite a bit if they actually wanted it using mp for other things.

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To be honest, forget coil, CT, titan, this is probably a nerf targeting WP speed runs because how dare.

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Originally Posted by Steeled

Uh, because they're clearly, clearly, a support class. Sure some of the buffs collect dust, but they all are meant to enhance the group and ballad...ballad...ballad.

Not to mention the -damage penalty ballad imposes.

Oh, and the healing limit break.

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So why did they change CNJ as subclass for BRD from beta?

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Originally Posted by knite23

read the limit break brds get a heal limit break not a dd one why because there were never supposed to be a full offensive job or go back and read some of yoshi old letter or read the questions from the beta or go read the questions from the old live letters its been stated many times brd is not supposed to be a full offensive class i wish they wouldve left it like it was a full support job

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Could you please post a link?