Shortage of Tank .......

The tanking/nontanking situation usually breaks down because people don't realize that overaggroing is not unusual if your tank is weakly geared or bad, but dying should still be rare. For example if I pull aggro on a Dullahan, and then it did an Iron Justice which I didn't avoid so I died. But the problem here isn't so much that I overaggro the Dallahan, but that I failed to dodge the Iron Justice. Sure, it'd be better if the tank held aggro but I am expected to be able to dodge an Iron Justice if I got caught in its radius. So lack of aggro is probably the tank's fault but dying is my fault. The correct outcome is that I have aggro but still survive by dodging the Iron Justice. Of course in reality usually either the DPS gets mad (for dying) or the tank gets mad (for losing aggro) and then things get ugly.

Makes me happy, now that I invested the time in relic+1 and DL gear. :D I wait 5 seconds when I queue for anything. <3

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Originally Posted by Elim

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I'm sticking to healing and DPSing. Tanking simply stresses me out.

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I have to agree tanking is a stressful and opften shitty job. Mayhaps specifically in this game because of the prevalence of insta kill mechanics and lack of ilvl screening in DF. Tank ultimatelyt gets blamed for everything, even after those some complainers spent the entire run ignoring our marks. haha

But I try to stay positive. Im leet geared now and most WP/AK DF's I get now have geared and exp'd individuals predominantly. So Id say now that the gear and experience of the majority has risen, being a tank will not be AS much an issue for me

I wanted to be a tank. But, like most MMOs, some fights require the tank (and everyone else) to have the absolute best latency. So now I just punch things from behind a lot :(

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Originally Posted by Ceol

You have a tank. He's floating behind you.

That's still cool, but I don't think you can claim you did it without a tank, and since SMNs can cure their pets pretty effectively (and have a decent party cure) it wouldn't exactly be fair to say you did it without a healer, as well.

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Titan egi is actually just there to gloriously sacrifice himself to grudge :D (he cant hold hate anyhow, even if we wanted him to tank). Mainly the Dragoons are the tanks and swap hate between each other (sometimes the Bard would tank for a bit too). Running without a tank is not so much the problem, we run 3DD/1Heal pretty often (a DRG in DL can tank WP/AK just fine depending on the power of the healer). The bigger challenge was actually to see if we could do it without a proper healer.

There are plenty of tanks, you know what the real issue is?

Square making FATE's the fastest way to gain experience, thus when people level Tank alts, they don't queue for dungeon... making the dungeon queues take an extremely long time.

Seriously, next time you're in a FATE, count how many tanks you have.

I honestly don't even think that tanking or anything like that is .harder. than any of the other jobs, and granted as a healer I get blamed for crappy runs a lot too (yes, sometimes it is indeed my fault :P)

what really mostly puts me off of tanking is the 'random person' factor. for tanking? yeah. I'd rather have someone around that I know and trust not to freak out on me for doing minor mistakes - yet alone big mistakes. sure, there are douchey tanks around, but when they constantly get the butt end of it that isn't very surprising. the arseholes are probably the folks that just want a quick pop, though. the people that don't feel like the general player even deserves their presense.

'look to those who walked before to lead those who come after' does not seem to be the motto of quite a handful of players. they know the deal and everyone else can suck it...

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

There are plenty of tanks, you know what the real issue is?

Square making FATE's the fastest way to gain experience, thus when people level Tank alts, they don't queue for dungeon... making the dungeon queues take an extremely long time.

Seriously, next time you're in a FATE, count how many tanks you have.

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This is certainly a problem as right now we have no incentive to run lower level dungeons, and by fate spamming you can skip them entirely. I did my story as a tank so I paid my dues, but even still, the only reason I ever go into a sub 50 instance is if someone in the FC needs it. Fortunately this is supposedly changing come 2.1 which I'm very much looking forward to.

Also to reinforce what pretty much everyone has already said, the rest of the party can be real jerks when things go wrong. You really need to have thicker than most skin, so I wouldn't be surprised if that has been turning a lot of people off to tanking.

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Originally Posted by Elim

I tried raising a tank. I wasn't planning on doing much endgame with it, but I thought it would be fun. A few times I was actually praised for my low-level nubby tanking. I'm pretty sure they were just being nice and trying to encourage me to keep learning. Haha. What put me off tanking is the DPS who refuse to kill things marked from 1-5(when they single target dps something). When I'm a new tank, learning exactly how to manage the mobs in a new dungeon, the very least a DPS can do is help me out by trying to stick to one target if they're not AoEing or dotting. Sure, I can still manage to hold most things when DPS don't listen...but that doesn't mean I'm not going to be annoyed.

I'm sticking to healing and DPSing. Tanking simply stresses me out.

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if a DPS doesn't follow your mark, you let them die

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Originally Posted by DesuGenesis

if a DPS doesn't follow your mark, you let them die

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and they will scream at you and worst case it is the healer scream at you and say your tanking suck, happen to me once