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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Ok, in a thread with over a thousand posts, it's possible I've forgotten a couple, but I don't recall having seen anyone make that argument

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The devs did in the Fanfest panel. They didn't call it 'lazy', but they described a situation whereas a BLU wouldn't have all the necessary spells for the content and be kicked from parties for it. And that can only happen if someone attempts content before performing the necessary preparations. Which is a double standard because how many people have we seen in Shinryu without their level 70 skills and gear? How many jobs do we see in all sorts of content without the skills that are locked behind job quests, or even the job themselves?

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You can't shrink down the number of skills to something approaching other jobs without removing BLU's whole purpose.

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You can if you keep those skills to the Masked Carnivale (thus maintaining the exact state we already have right now), but only work within instances with that limited number of skills.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Shrink it down? That 49 is just the initial starting point. It has over a hundred planned already, with undoubtedly more to come after that. That's the whole point of it. BLU is a collector's job, and collecting all those skills is its main point in existing (just as it has been in every other iteration). You can't shrink down the number of skills to something approaching other jobs without removing BLU's whole purpose.

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They could probably do it. You can already save sets of spells; they could just have a specific set balanced for party play that is the only one that can be active in the current "restricted" content and save the hotbar separately. If you don't have all of the ones in the balanced set, it just doesn't let you in. Then you can have the "balanced version" and everywhere else they can go now with the 49-100 spells you can do whatever you want. The question is whether they want to bother. So far I'm gonna say no since for a functioning job they need to actually be able to acquire weapons to be fair to everyone else and they didn't even bother designing those.

Yeah, you'll feel gimped inside party play, but I dunno some people might accept that to have the extra option some might not.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The devs did in the Fanfest panel. They didn't call it 'lazy', but they described a situation whereas a BLU wouldn't have all the necessary spells for the content and be kicked from parties for it.

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This wasn't the only reason they stated though, and the devs have this fear based on evidence. I call it the "DRK provoke" problem. If this was the only reason, you would have a case, but it's not. The devs also stated that certain skills would be overpowered/wouldnt work in a standard party setting, and the restriction is put in place so that BLU parties have the creative freedom to be BLUs while not spoiling the run for a random just running his roulette. The devs used the awful example of lvl 5 death on Omega, but a better example would be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygUMAQr1Kxg

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

This wasn't the only reason they stated though

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Yeah but we're debating that one right now :P

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not spoiling the run for a random just running his roulette.

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What about the WHM who hasn't done a single job quest since level 50 in the Vault? That sure ruined my run of the place as a tank. Double Standards, again.

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The devs used the awful example of lvl 5 death on Omega

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A curse of their own design, and one I disagree with. I mean, you're not wrong. But then I can just say that I think they were wrong to give us all those skills in the first place. NOT TO MENTION - what's keeping people form using those griefing skills outside of dungeons? Just because BLU can't use matchmaking doesn't mean they can't bother other players. I've been in Eureka Pyros the other day and the boss just kept being pingponged around by people using various knockbacks. BLU has Sticky Tongue outside of instances too. The problem isn't putting it in an instance, it's putting it in the game in the first place.

So I spent most of today leveling BLU with a friend of mine, no power leveling, just mob grinding and spell gathering. And you know what, I had some fun. But most of the time, i was just spamming rams voice/thousand needles in a group of mobs in the overworld, no thought, nothing complex, and you know what else? There's still no reason it shouldn't be in the duty finder, apart from its pretty strong aoe, there's nothing about it that is so mega broken it shouldn't be there apart from like peculiar light being a stupid strong buff. A blu who is doing their job quests will already have spells that will work in df dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Exactly. BLU has its own endgame, just like crafting and gathering have their own endgame, etc. Nabiri and numerous others are insisting that the only endgame that counts is raiding, and they're ignoring that the game already has alternate endgames that lots of other players like.

I agree that how good BLU's endgame is remains to be seen, but just demanding that the mere fact that it's something other than raiding makes it automatically pointless is ridiculous. There are plenty of people who like FFXIV but don't like raiding (or simply want some variety and to have something else to do besides raiding once in a while). Those are the people BLU is for.

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I couldn't care less about what things people consider endgame.
I'm not here to argue with you or anyone. I'm here to plead with SE for change.

What I was actually saying is that I can't enjoy it the way I enjoy other jobs in the game. Raiding was an example of something I like to do. I want it's usability to be the same as other jobs. To be able to do the same content.
I worry that more limited jobs will be added. Jobs that I'm hoping for and looking forward to, just to not be able to play them as I can play jobs now.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

What I was actually saying is that I can't enjoy it the way I enjoy other jobs in the game. Raiding was an example of something I like to do. I want it's usability to be the same as other jobs. To be able to do the same content.
I worry that more limited jobs will be added. Jobs that I'm hoping for and looking forward to, just to not be able to play them as I can play jobs now.

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Okay cool. Except it's not a job like the others in the game. It's a LIMITED JOB. It is not designed, planned and intended for it to be taken into current end game content. Maybe one day they will revise this but right now, this is quite enough.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Okay cool. Except it's not a job like the others in the game. It's a LIMITED JOB. It is not designed, planned and intended for it to be taken into current end game content. Maybe one day they will revise this but right now, this is quite enough.

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With enough time and creativity they could make it work as a regular job. Just need to keep some spells solo/preformed/undersized only. I myself think it's fine as is, but I have no doubt that they could make it work if they really wanted to. They currently don't, but they have changed their minds before repeatedly.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

With enough time and creativity they could make it work as a regular job. Just need to keep some spells solo/preformed/undersized only. I myself think it's fine as is, but I have no doubt that they could make it work if they really wanted to. They currently don't, but they have changed their minds before repeatedly.

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Yeah that's why we got Eureka instead of Diadem. Clearly forward thinkers.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

Yeah that's why we got Eureka instead of Diadem. Clearly forward thinkers.

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I didn't say it was likely, only that it was possible.