Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Here is a quick sketch I did of what I envision a male viera to look like build wise. Please note the floppy ears!

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

As for the other ongoing debate, would be nice if we stopped tearing into each other and trampling each other to appease people with likely hostile intents who so far have shown no intention of changing their minds :^) (statement obviously general and there are exceptions) You might think you're "fixing your image" or what not but it's more fragmenting and divisive than anything.

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This part of your post reads vague, if I'm misunderstanding I apologize. I would hope I'm considered an exception at this point.

Either way if people are going to refine their arguments to be for the inclusion of male Viera but without the victimhood narrative that is anything but divisive; it literally yanks the rug out from under the "don't give the SJWs what they want" argument which (from what I've seen) is one of the two major arguments against the inclusion of male Viera at this point.

There is nothing wrong with fixing the image of the pro-male Viera camp, frankly it could do with some fixing if it's going to garner any further support.

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Originally Posted by dustdjinn

Here is a quick sketch I did of what I envision a male viera to look like build wise. Please note the floppy ears!

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He's cute!

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

"don't give the SJWs what they want"

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The biggest problem is acknowledging that as a valid argument against their inclusion...
Other than that only thing I can think of that's problematic and recurring is wanting Feol-esque models. But I like to think that ship has sailed when they confirmed the two female Viera clans we'll be getting.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The biggest problem is acknowledging that as a valid argument against their inclusion...
Other than that only thing I can think of that's problematic and recurring is wanting Feol-esque models. But I like to think that ship has sailed when they confirmed the two female Viera clans we'll be getting.

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The validity of an argument doesn't necessarily impact it's effectiveness.

If as a group the people who want male Viera didn't behave in a way that opened them to this criticism there wouldn't be this argument. While it may not be a valid argument for not including male Viera it is most definitely a valid criticism of some of the people who want male Viera.

Separating the reasonable people who just want this included in the game from the people screeching about discrimination is a valid way of gaining more support, the only "problem" is people wishing to hang onto their false victimhood narrative.

By all means give us male Viera but not because the devs feel pressured or shamed but because it's a desire of their playerbase that they can deliver on. I don't see how anyone could miss the huge difference there.

I agree about the Feol models though, happy that we're getting all adult models and I see no reason that shouldn't continue into the males if they become visible/playable.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

The validity of an argument doesn't necessarily impact it's effectiveness.

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The question is what's the good of SE as a business yielding to that argument? Would anyone unsub if they did add male Viera and female Hroths?

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If as a group the people who want male Viera didn't behave in a way that opened them to this criticism there wouldn't be this argument.

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The problem with that is that it's a nice bully mentality to go hand in hand with your claimed "discrimination/victimhood narrative".

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While it may not be a valid argument for not including male Viera it is most definitely a valid criticism of some of the people who want male Viera.

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Ad hominem

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By all means give us male Viera but not because the devs feel pressured or shamed but because it's a desire of their playerbase that they can deliver on. I don't see how anyone could miss the huge difference there.

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Because it's not a difference. You're trying to lump the people who want male Viera and female Hroths added into a singular hive mind group that's vague and blank when everyone has their own reasons for wanting it. The base reason is wanting to see them in game, maybe even play them. Some of those want the missing genders because they want genderlocks gone. Some, because the genderlocks and a lot of the implications that come from this collection of decisions plays on their own real life issues in their escapist fantasies. And it's every last bit as valid as the other end of the spectrum where people want it for as simple a reason as eye candy.

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Originally Posted by dustdjinn

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Here is a quick sketch I did of what I envision a male viera to look like build wise. Please note the floppy ears!

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Those hip lines are very valuable and so are you.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

The biggest problem is acknowledging that as a valid argument against their inclusion...
Other than that only thing I can think of that's problematic and recurring is wanting Feol-esque models. But I like to think that ship has sailed when they confirmed the two female Viera clans we'll be getting.

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I'm pretty sure you'd still be able to make a Feol Viera, anyway. The only thing they have going for them is a more Hyur-like face (Viera lore already claims they look similar to Hyur and Elezen, so that's one box ticked), blonde hair and shorter ears (you'll most likely get to adjust ear size). Anything else beyond that was just fan-canon.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

fake ad hom reeeeeeee.

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An ad hominem would be me telling you that it seems like you can't read and talking to you is fairly similar to talking to a parrot who grew up around rabid SJWs.

That would be an ad hominem... you know, if I were to say it.

Blaming people for doing something worthy of criticism for the criticism they receive isn't an ad hom it's honesty.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

something worthy of criticism

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And that's where our views obviously differ on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

I didn't see any homophobic slurs? Did I miss this because they got deleted? I'd be surprised if people actually went that far.

I think the people who pushed the narrative of "don't cave to the SJWs" were specifically focused on the part of the pro-male Viera camp who were calling SE sexist and homophobic for not including male Viera. I still agree with this narrative; people shouldn't fling words like sexist and homophobic around for something like this as all it does is desensitize people to them and devalue them as words.

Personally the thing that got me on board with the implementation of male Viera was seeing people push concept art and a general desire for adult-male looking male Viera as some less savory places on the internet had lead me to believe people wanted child-like models for them which I'm very against. This isn't homophobia or sexism, if anything it's... pedophiliaphobia? I don't know if that's a word but it's the place I was arguing from and still the place I would argue from if we got Viera that looked like kids.

I think closing yourselves off to people who don't like that (frankly very SJW) narrative of this somehow being sexism or homophobia is just dumb. You're losing potential supporters, not everyone is going to stick around like I did to have their minds changed and see that isn't what the majority of you are claiming they're going to see serious words being thrown around for no reason and treat it like every other time they see that happening; write it off as reactionary, regressive SJW bullcrap and troll/ignore/move on.

Tl;dr- disavow the discrimination/victimhood narrative and the kid-Viera people and a lot of these troll posts (or even genuine disagreement posts like many of mine) wouldn't exist.

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I agree with most everythign except the 'kid-viera' aspect. Youre targeting people who are looking for a design aspect and then assigning a negative motive as a means to prevent it based on your personal feelings.

Like I said in an earlier post, almost any reason is pretty much a valid reason to want the opposite sex as its each their own - this includes male viera who arent sculpted Adonises, but are more cutesy and are a contrast to the amazonian female Viera. Your angle, from what Im reading, is "No, we cant have more cutesy male viera cause thats just a form of Paedophilia and thats wrong." (And for clarity, yeah Paedophilia is wrong, Im not arguing in favor of that, but rather that this is the insinuation youre placing on anyone who wants more younger/cutesy looking male viera.) Youre priming the argument by saying that the reason is flat out one way, when that may or may not be. At the end of the day, peoples personal reasons for wanting Male Vieras, or any aesthetic in any race, is not your business. If people do explain their reasoning, thats generally helpful and usually adds to the discussion, but its not necessary. It really is just as bad as calling SE sexist for not having male viera and female hrothgar. It's assigning malicious motives from the get go.

Heck, if you break down your position its "I only support male viera if they look a certain way that I approve." Youre not in support of male viera generally, you only support one vision you have of male viera. Rather than discuss that we should be getting male viera regardless of how they look and that we should be encouraged to argue the nuance of it and trying to explain the merits of what people are looking for. It's literally the sexist argument in reverse, or (as another analogy) people who dont want male Viera in any capacity cause of the eRP factor.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

Blaming people for doing something worthy of criticism

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The problem here is blindly blaming someone for another person's behavior. For example, reivaxe was surprised I was actually agreeing with them on some points. They assumed what my stance on things were based on other people's opinions, and they were mistaken. If you're in a disagreement with someone, you're disagreeing with that person specifically. Take it on a case by case basis, and don't lump people together.

Don't engage with trolls. Report inflammatory behavior, ignore and move on.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Don't engage with trolls. Report inflammatory behavior, ignore and move on.

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Agreed. If someone wants to just throw out insults instead of actually adding to the discussion, the best thing to do would be to report. The mods have actually been doing a good job of deleting troll's posts.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Why not elaborate on what you disagree with in particular? I'm sure if you behave in a civil manner, people will show you the same courtesy.

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Bolding this for anyone that needs a reminder.

For those that are being a bit prickly: people are fine to discuss points regardless of agreeing or disagreeing, but making constructive points rather than resorting name-calling (whether to other players, or to SE) would be the better way to go about debates.

Anyway, back to throwing confetti of hope/support at the inclusion of both sexes at some point in the future. (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ✧*:・ﾟ✧✲ﾟ✿

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Originally Posted by Senn

Why not elaborate on what you disagree with in particular? I'm sure if you behave in a civil manner, people will show you the same courtesy.

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What I disagree with is the outrage over this trivial matter. People are upset over a lack of sex option from 2 new races out when they're are 5 other races to choose from to fulfill your fantasy. Wasnt it already stated that they chose 2 races with 1 sex to provide more option as opposed to a single race because of how much more work it would be to make 2 races with both sex? Would you rather have 1 new race or 2? What if they did no new race? What would the backlash be then? And what more reason do you want? As long as it's not some entitled "its 2019 blah blah blah" I'm all ears.

People got TWO new races, and they're outraged. It makes literally zero sense from a logical person's perspective. Dont like it? Maybe go make your own MMO and handle that workload yourself and make whatever characters you want. As is now, this "genderlock" outrage is just asinine. Why are people trying to push agendas in a video game ffs. Jesus christ lol.

You admitted you only skimmed the thread so you'll forgive when I say those have already been answered.

In short:
There would have been much less outrage if there was only one race released with both genders, especially if we didn't know the other was in the works. Going off Yoshi-P's words, it would have been Hrothgar, and I'm sure most of the people in this thread would have accepted that they chose to listen to another section of players asking for bestial races instead of Viera.
What if there was no new race? There would have been disappointment, but not to the extent of this.
These are not 2 new races, these are 2 HALF races since the other genders DO exist in the lore, they're just... not playable.
AND many people are against gender locks on principle as it reinforces the unfortunate trope of "bestial male, waifu female"

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Originally Posted by Sanctify

What I disagree with is the outrage over this trivial matter. People are upset over a lack of sex option from 2 new races out when they're are 5 other races to choose from to fulfill your fantasy. Wasnt it already stated that they chose 2 races with 1 sex to provide more option as opposed to a single race because of how much more work it would be to make 2 races with both sex? Would you rather have 1 new race or 2? What if they did no new race? What would the backlash be then? And what more reason do you want? As long as it's not some entitled "its 2019 blah blah blah" I'm all ears.

People got TWO new races, and they're outraged. It makes literally zero sense from a logical person's perspective. Dont like it? Maybe go make your own MMO and handle that workload yourself and make whatever characters you want. As is now, this "genderlock" outrage is just asinine. Why are people trying to push agendas in a video game ffs. Jesus christ lol.

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There's no agenda here, so I'm not sure where the conspiratorial "they're trying to turn everyone into demi-rabbits... or worse!" mindset is coming from. The only agenda I see here in this and the Female Hrothgar threads are people voicing displeasure to SE and hoping that the company responds positively to them. Whether or not some folks have unrealistic timelines or design philosophy is moot since at the end of the day, people want to feel heard and listened to. Seems like most have settled down to wait for a tidbit from the upcoming live letter, which is pretty reasonable. Might be some angst and frustration while we wait but if it bothers people, they can ignore the threads. Most of the so-called "outrage" is well contained in the two mega threads now. You have to actively come in here looking for a reason to get mad to make post like yours, which I don't really understand.

There are a lot of principle arguments on both sides, so it can get heated. There's no fact-based consensus to rally around so it comes down to a clash of pure opinions, which is messy and often circular, and there's no one who is clearly right or wrong based on stance alone. I get that there are a lot of people who are upset and tired of hearing about it because of a variety of reasons but you guys have to understand that it's as simple as not clicking on the thread to come back and poke the hornet's nest. By all means leave your piece about how it's not a concern to you and you hope SE focuses resources on other types of content. That's totally valid and I get that feeling (imagine if they could go back and revamp character creation for all the races...!). But to come in here and start swinging with "you guys are whiny brats" and "stop being ungrateful, make your own MMO if you don't like it" contributes nothing of value to the thread. You can take your own advice at that point- create a thread about how you like the status quo and are fine with SE's decisions. Might not get a lot of support, but it's a much more constructive way to give feedback than going into a request support thread and insulting everyone who wants the thing you don't.

Also, there's no obligation for customers to be grateful for what we got. We don't have to like the outcome even though SE tried their best to find a compromise. Letting them know we are unhappy, and keeping that interest sustained, lets them know there is a need they can fill to keep us satisfied (i.e.: paying) and perhaps entice new customers. You can bet that even if they come out and say "we can't do it, and that's that" the question of MALE BUNNIES WHEN??? will haunt them for the rest of the game's lifetime, possibly even into a new MMO if they make one- demand is that passionate because of how they split the races. There's an underserved market for it and quite frankly if YoshiP hadn't played coy about it, folks might not have been so riled up to the point we are now.

Lastly, you might be satisfied with your options. That's great, and many of us wish we could say the same. But some folks want the options present so they can use them and better reflect their own ideal character. If aesthetics and gender didn't matter to you, why did you create your character the way you did? Would you have been happy if Au Ra women were not present or more beastly like the concept art? Would you switch to playing a male if there was no female option you really cared for... and would you really be happy with what you settled for? Not everything is about gender and identity politics when it comes to asking for the missing genders to be added. Some people just want to play what they like because that's their preferred aesthetic. And in a game whose "look" is a large selling point, why wouldn't folks be vocal about a missed opportunity to serve them? Especially since SE had publicly considered it as an option before going a different route?

tl;dr: getting mad about others being mad about a thing you don't care for is not productive or helpful, please stop

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

You can bet that even if they come out and say "we can't do it, and that's that" the question of MALE BUNNIES WHEN??? will haunt them for the rest of the game's lifetime, possibly even into a new MMO if they make one- demand is that passionate because of how they split the races. There's an underserved market for it and quite frankly if YoshiP hadn't played coy about it, folks might not have been so riled up to the point we are now.

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This.

It was a really bad decision on Yoshi-P's part, just from a business point of view. It's leaving a lot of money on the table, and it's something that won't go away until they change course.

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Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare

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I have no problem playing child characters in games. Most of squares games over the years have had child protagonists. Those that find this creepy in my honest opinion have dirty minds and should go see a shrink. They need to realize that not everybody who likes kids is a pedophile. Get over yourselves.



That said, I hope if we get male viera they include a youngish face like miqo has. Like a slightly taller frodo with bunny ears...LOLhttps://cdn.newspunch.com/wp-content...od-678x381.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kelryth

I have no problem playing child characters in games. Most of squares games over the years have had child protagonists. Those that find this creepy in my honest opinion have dirty minds and should go see a shrink. They need to realize that not everybody who likes kids is a pedophile. Get over yourselves.



That said, I hope if we get male viera they include a youngish face like miqo has. Like a slightly taller frodo with bunny ears...LOL

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Highly doubt that will happen the playable female viera are described in the game lore as mature adults would not make any sense to make the counterpart just as that but maybe you could work with the character editor the facial features like you can with the character muscular mass and height.

Where you can make your own Frodo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Pot calling the kettle black?

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Just ignore the troll. fell free to report as well if you like.

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Originally Posted by Kelryth

Just ignore the troll. fell free to report as well if you like.

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Which troll?

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Originally Posted by AnnaRosa

Which troll?

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click on her quote and find out.

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Originally Posted by Kelryth

They need to realize that not everybody who likes kids is a pedophile. Get over yourselves.

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There's a difference between playing young link and sexualizing him as you play him, yes. However you may want to rephrase that because that statement is highly dubious and regardless I don't think childlike characters should be playable in an MMO, it's just not a good look. There's a difference between a TWINK and a CHILD/TEENAGER, Alphinaud is not a twink, he is a literal child, Frodo is a 33 year old hobbit played by Elijah wood who was 18 going on 19 if I recall when he took on the roll.

That being said, I think what shouldn't be associated with wanting children is wanting a body type that is closer in physique to the females.

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by https://twitter.com/NHAAMAMIA/status...69473020289025 Nhaamamia (I recommend commissioning them by the way they do good work) For example if this was a male with a flat chest and broader shoulders would that suddenly make them a child? no, they look youthful regardless of gender but are an obvious adult. A lot of posters have claimed something which looks like this blatantly pedophilia and that's incorrect to me.

Liking children in the way of enjoying them as CHARACTERS would be a better phrase to use there as just uh, liking playing as children is kind of yikes.

Here we are again. /facepalm

Nice trying to blame the erp on lgbt, when a large chunk that does the gay erp that is creepy is straight women who have a fetish. Showing your true colors here bud.

The one time I saw ERP happening was a very enthusiastic het highlander couple in Gridania working their emotes hard for maximum effect, bless them and their dedication.

I wonder why it's the male viera in particular that get the "ew no they're gonna ERP everywhere" treatment when the lady rabbits are mincing about like Victoria's Secret angels in their trailer and the Hr... h... the Hotpotguards are pretty much a musclefur's dream come true? (Remember when Kellogg's had to stop people from perving on Tony the Tiger's account then Chester Cheetah stepped in and was like "come to daddy"?) The fact of the matter is that people can ERP with anything. Orcs. Ghosts. Bombs. Kefka. Zombies. Inanimate objects. Heck, when I was a little girl I thought the Crypt Keeper of all characters was cute, anything is possible in this wacky world. If people can ERP with it, they will, no matter what it is. All you can do is hope they're polite about it and take it somewhere private. If you're gonna do yo' thang, as they say, it's only common courtesy to do it somewhere people aren't trying to go about their daily business. (More power to you, those that do, but I definitely don't log on to read impromptu harlequin novels.)

As for me, I want to be tall but... not have elezen proportions. It's as simple as that. (The fact that I like Viera and rabbits in general is a bonus. My personal Gran Turismo racing mascot was a rabbit! I raised rabbits! Needless to say, I could always do with more rabbits.)

WOW THIS THREAD SURE DOVE BACK INTO A HORRIBLE VORTEX OF YIKES!

Also hi, am asexual, sex repulsed. Me am want fem hrothgar and Male viera. :> #comeAtMeWithYoStereotypes
Edit: #waitNo

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Originally Posted by Roda

WOW THIS THREAD SURE DOVE BACK INTO A HORRIBLE VORTEX OF YIKES!

Also hi, am asexual, sex repulsed. Me am want fem hrothgar and Male viera. :> #comeAtMeWithYoStereotypes
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cake? thats one of our stereotypes right? we like cake?

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I wonder if people seemed to miss my point.

Why anyone wants anything in this game is their own business and not yours.

No one has to explain why they want something. If people wnat male viera cause their hot or handsome. Thats ok. If they want it jsut for variety, thats ok. If they want it for equality. Thats ok. If they want it to eRP with other players in a consensual manner, that is ok. This should not be up for debate, this shouldnt be an issue. If you have a moral problem with what other players do that doesnt affect you, then you need to get a grip. You dont have to like the reason why people want something in this game. You can voice that opinion if youd like. But dont think that because you hold it that it should be the end all be all and that your opinion is alone justified to impose on other people.

Its. Not. Your. Business. And rather than understanding that, all Im seeing is a bunch of mudslinging where people are trying to play hot potato with the eRP thing, trying to pin it on whole groups. As a point, eRP happens in every community. Thats a small subset. Doesnt matter what your identity is. And its a freaking non G.D. issue because the people who do it for reals arent in your face doing it. Its usually in private chats and other things and its between two people who consent. As long as things are above board legally, thats all that matters. And if its not, if you think theres abuse, your ONLY job is to report that to SE and let them take care of it. Thats it.

Jesus. Get back on topic and stop slinging insults and being busy bodies about what other people do privately. Point here is to discuss wanting male viera and the merits of it, not make blanket statements slamming people and being busybodies.

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Yes please get back on topic. Stop rising to clear bait posts and simply report posts that are problematic. Help them find the attention they seek elsewhere.

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In all seriousness, Im kinda a grouch cause lack of sleep and no breakfast, and now I want pop corn. Damn you MJ gif and your perpetual popcorn eating.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

In all seriousness, Im kinda a grouch cause lack of sleep and no breakfast, and now I want pop corn. Damn you MJ gif and your perpetual popcorn eating.

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Try breakfast in bed just once will make you feel better.

Yeah, but what if Yoshida's japing us, and male Viera and female Hrothgar always existed?

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Originally Posted by EliteGoat

Yeah, but what if Yoshida's japing us, and male Viera and female Hrothgar always existed?

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That would sure be a galaxy brain level move...

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

cake? thats one of our stereotypes right? we like cake?

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*finger guns as I mitosis into two versions of myself to like this post twice*

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there is nothing dubious about that statement. Its blunt and straight forward with no hidden messages and 100% my opinion. Dubious might be the wrong word. Maby confrontational, frustrated, perhaps even rude would better fit? Regardless, What I want is not a child male Viera but a young looking adult like my miqo.



19 is the legal age in Canada. 21 in the US i think? So from my point of view being Canadian, Elijah Wood was an adult when LOTR was released. He was 20.



I wouldn't call a 16 year old a child. They don't seem to like that very much...lol


Point 1. My point in that post is that those people that find playing child characters in games is creepy because they associate kids with sex. I don't so it does not creep me out. Its annoying that they keep bringing it up.

Point 2. Even if for some reason square made child male viera playable, this does not mean the playable female viera would be having sex with the child vieras. Normal adults don't have sex with kids. Again they find it creepy because they associate kids and sex together.



There is nothing in the lore that suggests adult male viera look like children.

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Originally Posted by Kelryth

I wouldn't call a 16 year old a child. They don't seem to like that very much...lol

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Well of course not. Teenagers don't like being treated like children (nor do 20 year olds). However, from what I can recall when I was 16, some still acted like children. Especially the rich spoiled ones.

Anyway, I don't want kids to be playable in this game due to lore and story reasons (and the reason you brought up in point 1. It might annoy you, but there are some messed up people out there). I personally hate the 'hero child' stuff and I honestly can't see a child being able to master multiple Jobs, handle the amount of nonsense they're put through (betrayal, almost being killed, politics, war and almost being killed again. Actually, I think the points where our character is almost killed is what will prevent kids from being playable), as well as being able to be a Captain of a Grand Company Squadron.

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Originally Posted by Roda

*finger guns as I mitosis into two versions of myself to like this post twice*

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Ya know, for a moment I went "wait, isn't that supposed to be *meiosis*" but then I remembered that would be the wrong type xD

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Originally Posted by Kelryth

there is nothing dubious about that statement. Its blunt and straight forward with no hidden messages and 100% my opinion. Dubious might be the wrong word. Maby confrontational, frustrated, perhaps even rude would better fit? Regardless, What I want is not a child male Viera but a young looking adult like my miqo.



19 is the legal age in Canada. 21 in the US i think? So from my point of view being Canadian, Elijah Wood was an adult when LOTR was released. He was 20.



I wouldn't call a 16 year old a child. They don't seem to like that very much...lol


Point 1. My point in that post is that those people that find playing child characters in games is creepy because they associate kids with sex. I don't so it does not creep me out. Its annoying that they keep bringing it up.

Point 2. Even if for some reason square made child male viera playable, this does not mean the playable female viera would be having sex with the child vieras. Normal adults don't have sex with kids. Again they find it creepy because they associate kids and sex together.



There is nothing in the lore that suggests adult male viera look like children.

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You missing the point that the female viera playable character are adults and the lore if not mistaken state that male viera leave when reach the adulthood to live exiled and protect the forest.
Nah the lore state well they multiply also and you not going to leave their village as male viera until you reach adulthood and is just that simple.

The mentioned above assumption you made is just as wrong as your line of though.

To play with the ages you mentioned above you already have your miqo-te or hyur for once let us have more mature adult races.
So am praying for a Male Viera with wrinkles and grey white hair, mature adult and athletic.