"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

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Originally Posted by loosie

If you playing how you want involves punishing the other players for simply not conforming to your own idea of what correct gameplay is, I'd rather not play with that person at all. And the ToS just so happens to agree with me.

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Again we had this on the other thread, ToS can be used by either side in this argument. The fact that pulling IS the tanks job is true in the game, based on the hall of novice. Therefor as a DPS intentionally over pulling could also be considered a breach of ToS, the whole ToS argument is stupid.

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Originally Posted by loosie

No, I'm saying it doesn't matter. If you die you die.



But you're suddenly very focused on not doing any of that if more mobs join the fight?
I'm glad we're on different data centers.
Remember that every time you throw a fit to feed your ego, you're not taking it out on just the player who pulled more mobs, you're intentionally wiping the whole party. You're intentionally ruining the experience of three players.

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When have I ever said wipe the party, if you pull you deal with it until I'm ready to aka you pull you tank.
Your whole argument could be used against you.
"Remember that everytime you throw a fit to feed your ego." So like DPS wanting to do big damage against lots of mobs and have big pulls.
"You're running the experience of three players." Well if you as a DPS wipe the party cause your impatient and pulled additional mobs that the Tank/healer weren't ready for so didn't have the resources to manage and the group wipes, then you've just ruined the experience for three people
Your argument is severely flawed.

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Originally Posted by Malthir

Your argument is severely flawed.

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You seem to be missing the key word here, "intentionally".
If I'm playing DPS and the tank refuses to pick up the group the healer pulled with a dot, I die. Now you've intentionally punished me for something I didn't even have control over because I'm playing the game normally and actually hitting mobs the way I'm supposed to.
The end goal of a dungeon run is to kill all the enemies between point A and B. If the DPS is doing that, it's not an ego thing, it's just doing the thing expected of you.
If your "until I'm ready" is your GCD cycling to allow you to hit the AoE button again, I can accept that. Yes, when you enter DF there's an unwritten social contract for all four players to have mutual respect for one another, but if you decide to let a player die that you could have saved you break it yourself.
You're making the run far worse than it reasonably could have been, and for what gain?

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Originally Posted by Skiros

It's basically a temper tantrum. It's an "I gotta teach them a lesson" sorta attitude that is frankly kinda cringe.

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I would rather say that tanking in dungeons is the only time they feel important, and the pesky DPS should not take it from them (I will forget the character name 3 seconds after leaving dungeon btw)

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Originally Posted by loosie

You seem to be missing the key word here, "intentionally".
If I'm playing DPS and the tank refuses to pick up the group the healer pulled with a dot, I die. Now you've intentionally punished me for something I didn't even have control over because I'm playing the game normally and actually hitting mobs the way I'm supposed to.
The end goal of a dungeon run is to kill all the enemies between point A and B. If the DPS is doing that, it's not an ego thing, it's just doing the thing expected of you.
If your "until I'm ready" is your GCD cycling to allow you to hit the AoE button again, I can accept that. Yes, when you enter DF there's an unwritten social contract for all four players to have mutual respect for one another, but if you decide to let a player die that you could have saved you break it yourself.
You're making the run far worse than it reasonably could have been, and for what gain?

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If you rush ahead without waiting for the tank and no way to catch up, then you're the one being a prick and throwing a tantrum because people don't adhere to you.

Let the tank pull at the pace they're comfortable with, unless the tank ASKS you to pull things to them. It's just annoying and rude to run ahead of the tank unprompted. If you want to impose a speed run go in with a static group.

That said I don't just let people die when it happens, especially when it's on accident.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

That said I don't just let people die when it happens, especially when it's on accident.

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As it should be.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

If you rush ahead without waiting for the tank and no way to catch up, then you're the one being a prick and throwing a tantrum because people don't adhere to you.

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Explain to me though, what's the problem? If the tanking isn't needed, why worry?
If the mobs are being pulled to you, isn't that a good thing? Then you don't need to catch up at all.

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Originally Posted by TBerry

Others running ahead and pulling without consent is not the correct way either.
99% of dungeons I played in as a DPS usually let the tanks pull, and 99% of dungeons I tanked in wait for me to pull. Only exceptions are if the tank dies or one person is still alive, then we go and help that person and then wait for the tank.
In fact if you are really a GNB I can accuse you of being lazy and not doing your job. Letting others bring mobs to you is some weird power trip you have.

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It's faster and optimal to let the DPS pull ahead of you because they have Arm's Length, have an entire extra HP bar, and they move faster than you.

Tank ego is really a thing huh?

If its an accident sure, if not they should queue as a tank.