The Ninja Superthread

I echo the sentiments of a few others about Smokescreen, they'd have to design a fight with a mechanic specifically tailored towards the use of the ability. Having two abilities that manage enmity is a waste on a DPS class. Shadewalker is at least useful in being an aggro dump to help a tank regain threat (dying, dcing, etc).

We should have gotten another TP regen skill considering the SS scaling via endgame gear. Most people will be looking at 490+ SS in in a standard i160-170 build.


I've already been running dry in many occasions in the 4/8mans.

So now that a lot of people have gotten to lvl60 what do we think is the "optimal" opening rotation?

I believe its very similar to the 2.5 opener but is it possible to weave DWAD, MUG, JUG & Duality all before TA ends while still hitting AE? I'm lvl 58 so haven't been able to test DWAD yet.

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

Zaxus said it, only one weaponskill, which places it in a weaker place than Life Surge from DRGs.
Our best bet for it is solely AE, to make it hit for 500potency. IF it happens.

So long the only good aspect of Mugen Sandan is that its the strongest stand-alone oGCD we have (since SA and TA still need suiton) and each strike seems to have an individual oportunity to crit... (also the only skill that does multiple hits in the game)

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no, it hits for 640 pot. the wording is bad, but combo dmg isnt combo bonus.

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Originally Posted by AnMex

So now that a lot of people have gotten to lvl60 what do we think is the "optimal" opening rotation?

I believe its very similar to the 2.5 opener but is it possible to weave DWAD, MUG, JUG & Duality all before TA ends while still hitting AE? I'm lvl 58 so haven't been able to test DWAD yet.

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havent made it there just yet(1 away) but over all, it shouldnt change much opener wise. tho it depends on if you do the wait opener or mut opener.

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Originally Posted by Massterchef

We should have gotten another TP regen skill considering the SS scaling via endgame gear. Most people will be looking at 490+ SS in in a standard i160-170 build.


I've already been running dry in many occasions in the 4/8mans.

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oh man, no joke. when i had hit 515 sklspd, i cried, because i could not stay above 500 tp after standard pulls.

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Originally Posted by Kaze3434

Duality literaly Doubles

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I hope thats really true, Im on my way there.
Still quite the underwhelming effect, would've been more fun if it lasted a few seconds... tho a bit OP.

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Originally Posted by AnMex

Weaving DWAD, MUG, JUG & Duality before TA ends

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It should be feasable if you proc B4B, IR and Kassatsu before TA itself happens, since its literally 5 GCD in a TA, so 5 OGCD might as well happen.
'Twould need to be something along the lines of:
~(Suiton) -> SE(B4B) -> GS(Kassatsu) -> DE(IR) -> SE(TA) -> GS(Duality) -> AE(DwD) -> SE(Shuriken) -> SF(Mug) -> MU(Jug) *effects ends*~
More or less... Raiton would be impossible for most in this, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Arkenne

I hope thats really true, Im on my way there.
Still quite the underwhelming effect, would've been more fun if it lasted a few seconds... tho a bit OP.

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It is. At basic level 58 gear I'm getting an extra 1k damage every time it's up, assuming I don't botch the positional or accidentally hit it too soon. The only thing is that neither one can crit from what I can tell, so it devalues crit a bit.

This is what i've come up with so far as a rotation.. could use inputs and suggestions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57g0ZbAxNeo

basically <40s huton armor crush

i feel like it can be better

Seems pretty smooth. You managed to be where you needed to be when debuffs needed to be reapplied. I'm not sure about the Armor Crush areas (as I'm still experimenting myself), but in any case you kept all debuffs up or immediately reapplied within a GCD of falling off (which is great). Why did you hold your TA so long during the second Suiton? I saw that you waited until after your DE application to use it. If you were waiting so SF got the TA buff, I think you were within the GCDs to make SF just at the end of the TA which would have been applied to the GS and DE. Other than that, I thought it looked very good for so early into the expansions life! ^_^