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12-29-2013, 12:55 AM
Ayvar

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Originally Posted by KrystalF

I personally aim for 472, but lower might be possible, and this is the BiS I get with 472.

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Score: 658.635 Weapon: Allagan Spear Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming Helmet: Wyrm's Armet Chest: Wyrm's Mail Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming Pants: Wyrm's Breeches Feet: Allagan Sollerets Of Maiming Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying Earrings: Hero's Earring Of Slaying Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking Ring1: Vortex Ring Of Striking Ring2: Allagan Ring Of Striking Food: Hq Deviled Eggs Weapon Damage: 47 Strength: 224 Vitality: 194 Critical: 139 Accuracy: 131 Skill Speed: 72 Determination: 101

With 463 acc I get scores of 660, and with 482 i get 656, and according to EMX 2 points = 1 dps so it is really not noticeable nonetheless.

Correct me if I am wrong with anything.

Don't deviled eggs give you 2% accuracy, which you wouldn't need if you're hitting the cap with gear alone? or is that hitting the cap with food?

Would you mind checking 463+eggs and 472+buttons and posting both?

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Originally Posted by snowybell

Hey man. I understand where you are coming from. What app is that BTW? I use ffxivapp and it\\'s not that detailed. But it does show accuracy as 100% in a 30 min run. I have shots of those. And my dragoon is the only character that can do t5. I\\'ll post some results after I find out what you are using.

That's LogRep2, but I use ACT now

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

If anyone is interested in the accuracy cap for all 3 extreme primals it is somewhere as low as 447. I did not miss once after hours of Garuda, Titan and Ifrit.

At least 2 hours of each extreme primal and 0 misses @ 447 accuracy, my accuracy was only that low due to recently getting the Allagan spear and still having never seen the Allagan pants or purchased myth helm.

Going to push my luck Monday and try t1-5 with 468 accuracy with food and see how that goes lol, I've recorded 0 misses @ 475 through all phases of Twintania so it should be interesting.

Thanks for the info. Parsing at 468 would be great! Try to parse all of T5 non-stop if you can (if it takes more than 1 attempt).

Actually if you can get it a little lower that'd be good, snowy is saying he has parses of no misses at 463 (which we'll hopefully see) so maybe we could start there and go up or down as needed? 468 is fine though if that's as close as you can get.
12-29-2013, 02:26 AM
Wickie

How important is determination btw? Just wondering, because CT set has none?
12-29-2013, 02:27 AM
KrystalF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayvar

Don't deviled eggs give you 2% accuracy, which you wouldn't need if you're hitting the cap with gear alone? or is that hitting the cap with food?

Would you mind checking 463+eggs and 472+buttons and posting both?

That's hitting the cap with food. This is the BiS with buttons.

Code:

Score: 657.4490000000001 Weapon: Allagan Spear Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming Helmet: Allagan Visor Of Maiming Chest: Wyrm's Mail Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming Pants: Allagan Trousers Of Maiming Feet: Wyrm's Greaves Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying Earrings: Allagan Earrings Of Striking Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking Ring1: Allagan Ring Of Striking Ring2: Vortex Ring Of Striking Food: Hq Buttons In A Blanket Weapon Damage: 47 Strength: 224 Vitality: 195 Critical: 124 Accuracy: 134 Skill Speed: 59 Determination: 118

From my understanding the fact that deviled eggs are so good is because +5% crit is much more than +5% det.
12-29-2013, 03:05 AM
Ayvar

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrystalF

From my understanding the fact that deviled eggs are so good is because +5% crit is much more than +5% det.

That cant be the whole story since it's actually 2% crit vs 5% det (hq buttons has 3% crit). It just means the stats you gain from the extra gear (since you only need to hit 463 accuracy with deviled eggs) plus the 2% extra crit outweigh the stats lost to hit 472 accuracy and the 5% det gained from buttons.

So just to confirm, the BiS list to hit 472 accuracy is your first list posted with 463 accuracy from gear + hq deviled eggs giving a total stat score of 658.635?

This list would also play better in non-T5 encounters. It'd be best to aim for lower native accuracy on your gear (in this case 463) since you'd get more damage stats in place of accuracy for non-T5 fights (and you could use buttons), then just switch to eggs for T5.
12-29-2013, 03:26 AM
snowybell

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayvar

Don't deviled eggs give you 2% accuracy, which you wouldn't need if you're hitting the cap with gear alone? or is that hitting the cap with food?

Would you mind checking 463+eggs and 472+buttons and posting both?

That's LogRep2, but I use ACT now

Thanks for the info. Parsing at 468 would be great! Try to parse all of T5 non-stop if you can (if it takes more than 1 attempt).

Actually if you can get it a little lower that'd be good, snowy is saying he has parses of no misses at 463 (which we'll hopefully see) so maybe we could start there and go up or down as needed? 468 is fine though if that's as close as you can get.

Yeah. These were taken off our team mate's com, i don't parse at all.
These were based on Twintania (till snake phase), 30 mins total because someone had to leave.
will get more results when we raid with everyone next week.

http://i.imgur.com/DcMGrex.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ibvaPzc.jpg
12-29-2013, 03:51 AM
KrystalF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayvar

That cant be the whole story since it's actually 2% crit vs 5% det (hq buttons has 3% crit). It just means the stats you gain from the extra gear (since you only need to hit 463 accuracy with deviled eggs) plus the 2% extra crit outweigh the stats lost to hit 472 accuracy and the 5% det gained from buttons.

Not sure if I understand this but HQ buttons has 5% det and 2% crit (not 3%) while deviled eggs has 5% crit and 2% accuracy. What I meant is the fact that you have around 480 crit and 300 det with a 90 gear, so 5% of crit would be 24 crit, while 5% det would be 15 det, therefore deviled give more deeps (when accuracy points are not wasted). Also you are wasting 3 points of accuracy using buttons that way I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayvar

So just to confirm, the BiS list to hit 472 accuracy is your first list posted with 463 accuracy from gear + hq deviled eggs giving a total stat score of 658.635?

Yes, and the score counts food stats aswell.
12-29-2013, 05:34 AM
Ayvar

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowybell

Yeah. These were taken off our team mate's com, i don't parse at all.
These were based on Twintania (till snake phase), 30 mins total because someone had to leave.
will get more results when we raid with everyone next week.

which accuracy % am I supposed to be looking at? There's a whole bunch of different people with their names blacked out. Also what accuracy rating was this parsing with?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KrystalF

Not sure if I understand this but HQ buttons has 5% det and 2% crit (not 3%) while deviled eggs has 5% crit and 2% accuracy. What I meant is the fact that you have around 480 crit and 300 det with a 90 gear, so 5% of crit would be 24 crit, while 5% det would be 15 det, therefore deviled give more deeps (when accuracy points are not wasted). Also you are wasting 3 points of accuracy using buttons that way I guess.

I just meant that it's not a straight 5% crit -5% det comparison, it's really a 3% crit - 5% det comparison since you have to account for the 2% crit on hq buttons. Either way thanks for the list, I'll get that into the main post and we can update as we revise the accuracy cap over the next week or two.

Oh, do you mind also producing a pre-T5 list with the same accuracy cap?

EDIT: T5 BiS for 2.1 has now been updated on the main post
12-29-2013, 12:45 PM
snowybell

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayvar

which accuracy % am I supposed to be looking at? There's a whole bunch of different people with their names blacked out. Also what accuracy rating was this parsing with?

I just meant that it's not a straight 5% crit -5% det comparison, it's really a 3% crit - 5% det comparison since you have to account for the 2% crit on hq buttons. Either way thanks for the list, I'll get that into the main post and we can update as we revise the accuracy cap over the next week or two.

Oh, do you mind also producing a pre-T5 list with the same accuracy cap?

EDIT: T5 BiS for 2.1 has now been updated on the main post

My IG is princess snowybell, it was done with 463 accuracy. No food buff.

命中力463
クリティカル発動力483
意思力255

These are my stats (Acc/Crit/Det).
12-29-2013, 02:32 PM
Ayvar

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowybell

My IG is princess snowybell, it was done with 463 accuracy. No food buff.

Interesting to see 0% misses at that accuracy, but aren't these only 5min parses? We'll need a longer duration to confirm.
12-29-2013, 09:18 PM
KrystalF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayvar

I just meant that it's not a straight 5% crit -5% det comparison, it's really a 3% crit - 5% det comparison since you have to account for the 2% crit on hq buttons. Either way thanks for the list, I'll get that into the main post and we can update as we revise the accuracy cap over the next week or two.

Ah, I see, I didn't do the substract since 2% accuracy is probably the same or better than 2% crit (since you are not wasting the acc), and then you only compare 5% det with 5% crit, if that makes sense :p

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Originally Posted by Ayvar

Oh, do you mind also producing a pre-T5 list with the same accuracy cap?

Should I count extreme primals in or out? or both? I'll do both I guess

Pre-T5 w/ Extremes

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Score: 648.9929999999999 Weapon: Gae Bolg Zenith Gloves: Wyrm's Gauntlets Helmet: Allagan Visor Of Maiming Chest: Wyrm's Mail Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming Pants: Wyrm's Breeches Feet: Wyrm's Greaves Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying Earrings: Allagan Earrings Of Striking Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking Ring1: Vortex Ring Of Striking Ring2: Allagan Ring Of Striking Food: Hq Deviled Eggs Weapon Damage: 46 Strength: 221 Vitality: 190 Critical: 189 Accuracy: 131 Skill Speed: 81 Determination: 58

Pre-T5 w/o Extremes

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Score: 647.913 Weapon: Gae Bolg Zenith Gloves: Wyrm's Gauntlets Helmet: Allagan Visor Of Maiming Chest: Wyrm's Mail Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming Pants: Wyrm's Breeches Feet: Wyrm's Greaves Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying Earrings: Hero's Earring Of Slaying Wrists: Allagan Bracelets Of Striking Ring1: Allagan Ring Of Maiming Ring2: Allagan Ring Of Striking Food: Hq Deviled Eggs Weapon Damage: 46 Strength: 221 Vitality: 190 Critical: 156 Accuracy: 131 Skill Speed: 97 Determination: 69

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