Roleplay/Partyfinder Discrepancies & Policy Enforcement by GM's

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Originally Posted by van_arn

So your response to “keep kids away from being sexually exploited” is “but what about the violence?”

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The game is fantasy if somehing says 18 plus...
Noone is being exploited .. If they lie and say there over 18... Then rlly thats noonrs fsukt but there own.. Jumping a gun and assuning ppl dont rlly to make sure people are 18 plus 4 it.. To best of their abilitys.

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Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings, everyone.

Thank you for your patience while we reviewed the situation. In short, there was an internal miscommunication which led to account actions being issued incorrectly. We sincerely apologize for the concern that this has caused the community. There has not been any change to our existing policy, and we want to assure players that our focus is on taking action against inappropriate advertisements/listings.

We will work to ensure proper communication is being done within the GM team and strive to ensure quality service and operations.

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Thank you for letting us know. Things happen, and I'm glad it was a simple mistake and nothing actually bad.

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Originally Posted by AncientWillow

The game is fantasy if somehing says 18 plus...
Noone is being exploited .. If they lie and say there over 18... Then rlly thats noonrs fsukt but there own.. Jumping a gun and assuning ppl dont rlly to make sure people are 18 plus 4 it.. To best of their abilitys.

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Kids can’t give consent. That’s the entire point, 18+ doesn’t protect them from exploitation.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Kids can’t give consent. That’s the entire point, 18+ doesn’t protect them from exploitation.

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If they say they are 18 then .. Sorry if its cold but honestly.. I dont care i dont erp but still if someone goes out of there way to make sure and its lie after lie .. Then i dont give a damn thats on them and parents plus the entire thing is virtusl fantasy so.. If you want to protect them dobt let them play a mmo until they turn 18 lol

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Nah people do it because it is a perfectly sensible thing to do, with failing to do so having dire consequences potentially.

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Forgive me if I don't believe that everyone posting concerns of children are being entirely genuine. When you're totally cool with actual innocent role-players getting thrown under the bus along with a few bad eggs, forgive me if I call bollocks on your concern for the kids. Since this whole issue has went far beyond people advertising ERP venues. People who were advertising all-ages venues and even a dude who just wanted to talk to someone while fishing all got hit... In general, I don't think it's a good idea to be cool with people who are not guilty to be punished along with people actually doing bad things.

And this is coming from someone who absolutely believes that ERP venues shouldn't public advertise.

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So your approach is to just use the Blacklist functionality and ignore the overarching problem. Not only that then resorting to highlighting the use of a third party in order to address a problem that need I might say is against the Terms of Service.

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What is the overarching problem? People using the Party Finder to meet people? 'cause as mentioned... This goes beyond ERP.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Kids can’t give consent. That’s the entire point, 18+ doesn’t protect them from exploitation.

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18+ doesn't mean ERP. And there's plenty of free companies that have 18+ requirements, too. Should those be banned from the game, too? Don't get me wrong. I'm entirely against ERP being advertised in the Party Finder. I also don't really see the point of an 18+ RP venue since a lot of the stuff that you'd think you'd need it for, you really don't... Since it's all content in game. But a lot of the "think of the children" crap some people say seems like something some people bring up since they thing role-players are weird.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Actually it was both. I reread the interview recently. this was after that thread about people using autoclickers for buying houses. In an interview they clarified their position on third party tools and they covered mods, including lewd mods and parsers, ACT was mentioned by name and there were references to FFLogs too.

But I really don't get this divide mentality going on in the forums this past couple of days between "raider" and "RPer" and you're just playing to it too by now making a blanket statement about RPers. RPers raid. RPers make up casual players, semi casual players, hardcore players, hardcore elitists. One of my officers who runs a lot of our RP's is one of the first people on our datacentre to clear Ultimate Alexander as MNK. I get into conversations about end game content with other RPers. My RP focused FC runs raids on Sundays.

Sure there is a subset of RPers who are also casual players and only embrace the game for casual content and RP, but you also have people who well, just play for the casual content too. They're just a subset of players and has nothing to do with RP or people's interest in RP. I mean, of course nothing wrong with being casual, but yeah, folks need to stop crapping on what other people get out of the game. I can understand people being disappointed by the loss of Ultimate too, especially with the last Savage Tier already out and nothing more to come until Endwalker.

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you never get banned just for using ACT. That's why you don't see streamers banned for it even though they have it open on the screen broadday. And I never said there's literally 0 overlap between rpers and raiders but like... even in this thread I have seen mad rpers response basically be "go back to doing your savage waaaaah!" (running content is a bad thing now? lmao) but I haven't seen a single person say "this is what you rp people get it's your guys fault that we're not getting an ultimate next patch!!" which seems to be a narrative i've seen some people trying to push, like the one I was responding earlier to

The response to that would be "Keep them off the internet" or "monitor their internet use".

You don't dump your kids unattended in the middle of the internet where they can be reached by perverts or have access to porn, do you?

And if you do it speaks more about you as a parent than it does about the other adult players using a game. Which again has already been rated to warn parents that it will contain references to violence, alcohol, tobacco, sexual themes, blood, and where online interactions ARE NOT RATED, which would expose them to things you don't want them to.

If you're worried about kids then read the labels of the games you're letting them play and don't let them on the internet unescorted. Period.

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

Forgive me if I don't believe that everyone posting concerns of children are being entirely genuine. When you're totally cool with actual innocent role-players getting thrown under the bus along with a few bad eggs, forgive me if I call bollocks on your concern for the kids. Since this whole issue has went far beyond people advertising ERP venues. People who were advertising all-ages venues and even a dude who just wanted to talk to someone while fishing all got hit... In general, I don't think it's a good idea to be cool with people who are not guilty to be punished along with people actually doing bad things.

And this is coming from someone who absolutely believes that ERP venues shouldn't public advertise.





What is the overarching problem? People using the Party Finder to meet people? 'cause as mentioned... This goes beyond ERP.

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I have a genuine and thorough concern for it due to my role outside of online to do with my career, so yes, genuine concern for it. Granted, I may have been a little denigrate with the original RP'rs yesterday, but I am still a strong advocate that either the Fellowship Finder (granted it should be better) a specific subsection on the PF for RP.

I am inclined to agree with the sentiment that it isn't right for attacking people for seeking genuine social avenues, especially in times of hardship such as these, but alas, it's just unfortunate that the bad apples are lumped in with the good ones.

The overarching problem is that people are subjected to unsolicited advertisements, which can potentially expose them to vulnerable situations than they otherwise would be subjected to, especially for potentially mature content in a public space on the Party Finder. When the Terms state that you should otherwise act in accordance with the minimum age group in the game, particularly as it pertains to public spaces, you should abide by such a guideline. Whether or not this goes beyond simple ERP is irrelevant. It's a problem all the same.

It's pretty disturbing to see so many people label any concerns about erotic role-play as 'moral panic' and 'manufactured outrage'. There's been some pretty touching insight from victims of abusive individuals who have spoken up within this very thread and the argument that people are 'projecting' is rather bizarre.

It shouldn't be rocket science as to why a lot of people simply do not want to see advertisements in the party finder for explicit interactions between players who, in many cases, cannot guarantee that they are of legal age. A lot of people have even stated that it's one thing if such matters are out of sight and behind closed doors...yet that isn't enough for some and now they seem to want to have it be a badge of honour that they can parade around.