Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

That's most comedy, even if it's not slapstick.
You don't like comedy :(?

Anyways, I dunno why you'd HATE Hildibrand just because the comedy doesn't land with you tho.
Why does not being into something or someone needs to equivalate to '' HATE ''?
What happened to being indifferent?
Hate is a pretty strong and dramatic emotion.

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I don't like slapstick.

My humor tastes range from dark to political. See: George Carlin. He never made himself to be an idiot for laughs. The whole comedic value of hildibrand is that he's an idiot. I don't find that funny.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I don't like slapstick.

My humor tastes range from dark to political. See: George Carlin. He never made himself to be an idiot for laughs. The whole comedic value of hildibrand is that he's an idiot. I don't find that funny.

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I was actually thinking of George Carlin too, his comedy revolves mostly around pointing out dumb and illogical things in society, in other words stupidity.
Regardless tho I don't think this is something worth getting worked up about lol ( not directed at you ).

I understood what you said hence why I said '' even if it's not slapstick ''.

Edit: Revolved* around, I know that he's dead.
But yes I acknowledge that you like comedy xD......
I was being a bit snarky in jest.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, we can't

We complain about a stale and rigid formula, wherein the developers are too afraid to bother deviating from the said content formula. When they elect to deviate from it and try something different. We then subsequently complain and throw our toys out of the pram because it cost us a dungeon or an exploration zone for them to deviate.

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That is so accurate xD

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

I'm just going to leave this here:

I liked being able to do relic quests while those who enjoyed Hildibrand got to have their questline and I could ignore it. I don't understand why you're forcing me to do both.

I don't find his content funny and no I don't think its fair to say "skip the cutscenes if you don't like it" when to be completely honest, they shouldn't have been combined to begin with. I get wanting people to try out his questline, but those who wanted to HAVE.

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This same complaint could be used for Eureka, for Bozja, for having to do the Ivalice raids for the ShB relics (and thus unlocking Bozja), for having to do the Void Ark alliance raids for the newest Tataru quest (which y'all are VERY silent on, btw, you damned hypocrites) etc etc. The devs do this all the time, and the fact that people are complaining about the EASIEST content to get through this time is beyond stupid to me. I'm really starting to wonder if y'all are just complaining for the sake of complaining at this point.

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Originally Posted by Zaredth

Idk, can we not be happy

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I see you're new here, welcome to the forums!

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Not sure whether they were being actually serious about this or not, but either way it's bad form to require such an absurdly long questline to be completed before we can do this expansion’s relic. I don’t even think Ivalice is as time consuming, and at least acts as a skill check on the playerbase.

Just why?

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Because relic weapons are always a pain in the ass. ALWAYS. They teased us last expac; making the first two to three steps faceroll easy before essentially locking it behind Bozja, which I refuse to play more than casually (or at all really) due to it being the terrible stepchild of Diadem and Eureka and honestly, just no.

This is likely the devs getting back at the large portion of the community who has demanded Hildibrand to be in each expansion (to my delight--this isn't me complaining).

Considering I've only completed one Zodiac weapon (50), two relics from HW (60), one partial relic from Stormblood, and about 6 partial from ShB, well... Hopefully there's no instanced content tied to these. Because it'll just be more content I skip. Hopefully they are not hideous like the final form relics from last expac or I'll likely be passing them entirely.

If they do joke weapons this time, I hope it's done like this guy on reddit said.

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I'll accept joke weapons if they're done right. Example, first stage for SGE weapons are paper airplanes. Final stage end up being models (like the kind you make with model kits) of a fighter plane of some kind. You know, goes from low class to high class joke weapons (that look kind of cool as a result).

Or another example, a normal sign you'd find on any road as the starting WAR weapon. Final result is a neon sign saying "Manderville".

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Let machinists just do a finger-gun to shoot people and it'll all be worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Zaredth

Idk, can we not be happy they are trying something different? I personally miss Hildy. I see players complain they are homogenizing the game but they don't want to let them try anything different when they do. Can we pick a lane?

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What is this "happy" you speak of?

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

There is a difference between a light hearted story/aesthetics vs a lolsorandom story/aesthetics. Who am I kidding though, i'm just fighting against the current at this point in the game's life, lol.

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I'd personally rather attempt a goofy plotline instead of peering into a dead, bot-filled wasteland that has infinite queue times, because peak interest has passed. I love Bozja, but it's not really that feasible when there's no one to help with Castrum.

Edit: Heck, I'd love to have the Manderville group as a Trust run. It would be godly.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Comedy is subjective

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True, good storytelling too. I did not enjoy the Ivalice raids. Yet I know others did. So what should SE do? Always let old content die? Create a completely new storyline that has no ties to anything old that may also not be liked by everyone?

Honestly right now we dont even know how much comedy the relic quests themselves will have.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, we can't

We complain about a stale and rigid formula, wherein the developers are too afraid to bother deviating from the said content formula. When they elect to deviate from it and try something different. We then subsequently complain and throw our toys out of the pram because it cost us a dungeon or an exploration zone for them to deviate.

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I am fine with people complaining about something. Just because something is different doesnt make it good. I am fine if someone says that they are a bit sad that they have to do Hildebrand for it. (But at least they can skip the quests)

I am a bit baffled that people are already trying to judge the content itself. Content which we basically know nothing about. (Only the requirement for them to start) If the storyline turns out to be purely slapstic humor with horrible weapons and more then complain. But putting this content down before it even released...yeah thats a bit much.

Im 100% On Board with The next New Hildebrand Storyline Tieing into the Next Relic.
The idea of the next series being "Manderville Weapons" sounds absolutly awesome, and if they are joke weapons, I would LOVE that.

Not everything needs to be so serious, and people always complain about the Devs not thinking outside the box and doing something new and different.
Frankly, I think its good if we might be getting another HW style Weapon Grind. Eureka..I dont care, screw doing that place. Bozja, I loved it but I can agree with the flaws with its system, eureka as much as I hated it was future proofed while Bozja wasn't.
So, instead of doing another wide zone, why not an old school grind?
I am ALL for it.
Also Welcome back Manderville Man, (most of us) missed you

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

The heck? Hildibrand quests look awfully overrated and tying powerful weapons to a clownfest is just weird.

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look overrated?

what did he mean by this

For the Relic Step where we get to augment stats:
Win Gold Saucer games!

Win at Any Way the Wind Blows or The Slice is Right to increase Crit
Win at mahjong or chocobo racing to increase Determination
Win at Air Force One to increase Direct Hit
Win at Leap of Faith to increase Spell Speed or Skill Speed (depending on weapon)
Win at Cliffhanger to increase Tenacity
Win at Verminion to increase Piety

Let's go!

You could skip one hildibrand cutscene a day and still be done with it by the time the new relics came out.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

For the Relic Step where we get to augment stats:
Win Gold Saucer games!

Win at Any Way the Wind Blows or The Slice is Right to increase Crit
Win at mahjong or chocobo racing to increase Determination
Win at Air Force One to increase Direct Hit
Win at Leap of Faith to increase Spell Speed or Skill Speed (depending on weapon)
Win at Cliffhanger to increase Tenacity
Win at Verminion to increase Piety

Let's go!

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That would be halarious if The Gold Saucer was apart of the grind.
Would REALLY drive engagement there.
But IF they did, id hope the requirements wouldnt be.....REALLY dumb. Like Win a Slice of Life Gate.
Id forever hate YoshiP if that was required

Took a break for the day and I come back to people being ok with the relic being turned into joke weapons and Gold Saucer being part of the grind. So savage is where I should go to get a serious weapon then. For now anyway.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Took a break for the day and I come back to people being ok with the relic being turned into joke weapons and Gold Saucer being part of the grind. So savage is where I should go to get a serious weapon then. For now anyway.

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Sure, if thats what you want.
If you personally dont like the idea thats fine. Sorry this expansion is trying something that doesnt appeal.

Who knows, MIGHT change your mind later. Not like we know what the weapons look like or even know how the real grind will be

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Originally Posted by technole

That crazy person has always been Gerolt. Have a nice day.

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Yeah and he tends to be sided with more sane characters in the relic quests, Gerolt is just the odd one they pick since he is considered the best blacksmith.

ShB was no different, the Bozjan leaders just picked him off and that's it.


Now I am very curious how the Mandeville work with Gerolt, Godbert is stupid rich and talented so the EW Hildibrand quests really gotta set something off, joke or not

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Sure, if thats what you want.
If you personally dont like the idea thats fine. Sorry this expansion is trying something that doesnt appeal.

Who knows, MIGHT change your mind later. Not like we know what the weapons look like or even know how the real grind will be

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No with the way that I see things going and the lineup of upcoming releases I think it's probably best that I just leave when the Crisis Core remaster comes out and just not come back until things here get back on track, if they ever do. Who knows even Diofield Chronicle might actually provide a better story experience than whatever this is heading to.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Took a break for the day and I come back to people being ok with the relic being turned into joke weapons and Gold Saucer being part of the grind. So savage is where I should go to get a serious weapon then. For now anyway.

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Yes because people aren't allowed to have a different idea of what constitutes fun around here. - Is the expectation that people are supposed to be homogenously against this?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

No with the way that I see things going and the lineup of upcoming releases I think it's probably best that I just leave when the Crisis Core remaster comes out and just not come back until things here get back on track, if they ever do. Who knows even Diofield Chronicle might actually provide a better story experience than whatever this is heading to.

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Good, take a break. Never forget that this is encouraged.
And if there are other games that ar emore your style, enjoy them. Hve a good break.

No Joke, No Meme, Do SOMETHING that you enjoy. Instead of sitting here being Unhappy

I just have a genuine question, who decides this type of things?I know is side content, (which I don't really see it as side content when it comes to equipment imo),but how they decide that this is correct course of actions? do they have polls? japanese players feedback? Let's not lie to ourselves ....our side is not taken into account.
Maybe Yoshida sama is a big fan of hildi quest line....
After what happened with black mage , this is a possibility now...
But seriously, how they decide this?

I made last night all Hildi Quests, they was fun .... skip, skip, skip, run to a, to b, skip, skip even more ... was done in 2 hours. I didn't saved the world and killed my Friend Zenos to be bothered with Hildi.

I play the Hildi quests every time they are there. But I am not happy about the fact that this will be the theme of the new relics :(

If they made a Hildi trial and we could craft Hildi weapons like we did with the moogle weapons, I would be much more happy.

I liked the relic to be something cool that I want to achieve and show off not something goofy.

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Originally Posted by keichirou

I just have a genuine question, who decides this type of things?I know is side content, (which I don't really see it as side content when it comes to equipment imo),but how they decide that this is correct course of actions? do they have polls? japanese players feedback? Let's not lie to ourselves ....our side is not taken into account.

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out of my (european) static 2 people don't give a fu**, 1 cries about it but says he will still do it while skipping the story and 5 totally love the thought. considering bozja bored me to death (both the content and the story, i'm not saying it is bad, it's simply not for me) even if everyone else was on board with bozja being "good content" that still wouldn't really be a "better" result than what hildibrand offers.

is that way to small a sample size to make some universal judgement call based on that ? totally, it absolutely is.

that however goes both ways, we (humans) tend to hang out with like minded individuals, just because you hate hildibrand and a substantial amount of your buddies agree with you that doesn't say anything about actual majorities, so who the frick is "your side" ?

i would take literal bets that the actual majority of players doesn't give a flying roundhouse kick about what the relic storyline is, there are people that just want the weapon for the item level, others the glamour, people that will take whatever they can get out of the story that don't really mind if its serious or just plain wacky. people that actually like the grind and people that want the glowstick to show others how much they liked the grind, and thats even ignoring the part of the playerbase that would never actually do the relic because they know allready that they lack the time for this kind of commitment, for these people tying hildibrand to the relic actually means square has now wasted less time on content that doesn't interest them and instead worked on interesting stuff.

The idea is different, however forcing us to do side content for the relic is bad idea. I like my relic quest and side content being appart from each other. Only to boost popularity of side content who got maybe a decline after ARR,HW or SB. Give a tap of the sholders and say "SEE OUR CONTENT IS GREAT SUCCES DUE OUR PLAYERS DO IT!" is disgusting. Worst part is the relic as no area attach to it. They should just release the relic in this patch with basic story for the start and let hilderbrand do is thing.

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Originally Posted by Zarkovitch

The idea is different, however forcing us to do side content for the relic is bad idea. I like my relic quest and side content being appart from each other.

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Literally every relic has been nothing but grinding side content.

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Originally Posted by Zarkovitch

I like my relic quest and side content being appart from each other

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you mean like forcing you to do the ivalice raid series before you could enter bozja ?

Yeah, I'm all for Hildebrand Weapons, but this is just dumb. I want lore heavy relic weapons like ones from expansions past. This is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Yeah, I'm all for Hildebrand Weapons, but this is just dumb. I want lore heavy relic weapons like ones from expansions past. This is just stupid.

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And you know these have no lore how?

Must be nice coming from the future where you've already experienced the content

It's clear that there's no point in continuing this discussion further. Bye.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

It's clear that there's no point in continuing this discussion further. Bye.

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Talk about being keen about trying to portray yourself as a victim.

I would say bye, but we both know you'll be back later anyway.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

It's clear that there's no point in continuing this discussion further. Bye.

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...why you gotta be like this?
This isn't how it went down at all...

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

https://i.imgur.com/6rXt8Px.jpeg

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This is alot more accurate.
I even tried to be supportive and you wanna be all...

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, we can't

We complain about a stale and rigid formula, wherein the developers are too afraid to bother deviating from the said content formula. When they elect to deviate from it and try something different. We then subsequently complain and throw our toys out of the pram because it cost us a dungeon or an exploration zone for them to deviate.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I see you're new here, welcome to the forums!

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Nah, I just stay away, ZeplaHQ made me curious about this thread lol.

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Originally Posted by Zaredth

Nah, I just stay away, ZeplaHQ made me curious about this thread lol.

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After her take regarding those of us who dared to criticize Endwalker's story I can't say I have a high regard for whatever opinions she may or may not hold about this thread.

Is there any meaning to derailing this discussion so hard with pointless harassment? We can all state our opinions without derailing the discussion.

I personally won't be doing this relic as a relic grinder as the tone of the prerequisite story is not my flavor of story and it makes me believe the relic story will be more in line with the quest chain I already disliked. I would love to be proven wrong on that but until it is released that is the only opinion I can give for now. My worry is more content is becoming something I do not feel like interacting with due to the overuse of humor that doesn't land for me and "slice of life" moments.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, we can't

We complain about a stale and rigid formula, wherein the developers are too afraid to bother deviating from the said content formula. When they elect to deviate from it and try something different. We then subsequently complain and throw our toys out of the pram because it cost us a dungeon or an exploration zone for them to deviate.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

After her take regarding those of us who dared to criticize Endwalker's story I can't say I have a high regard for whatever opinions she may or may not hold about this thread.

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Okay, that's cool.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

No, we can't

We complain about a stale and rigid formula, wherein the developers are too afraid to bother deviating from the said content formula. When they elect to deviate from it and try something different. We then subsequently complain and throw our toys out of the pram because it cost us a dungeon or an exploration zone for them to deviate.

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Originally Posted by Xeronia

Is there any meaning to derailing this discussion so hard with pointless harassment? We can all state our opinions without derailing the discussion.

I personally won't be doing this relic as a relic grinder as the tone of the prerequisite story is not my flavor of story and it makes me believe the relic story will be more in line with the quest chain I already disliked. I would love to be proven wrong on that but until it is released that is the only opinion I can give for now. My worry is more content is becoming something I do not feel like interacting with due to the overuse of humor that doesn't land for me and "slice of life" moments.

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I mean ....we just saved the world. What's wrong with our WoL taking it easy before a big storyline drop? I mean, wouldn't you if you were in their shoes and this wasn't a video game hypothetically?. You probably be pretty freaking tired lol. Makes sense to me story wise. I can relate to it.