Gaijin is NOT offensive :-P I don't know about its historical origins but even so in modern day Japan this is not an offensive term and is often (I wanna say 80-90% of the time) coupled with -san as in "gaijin-san" so how can you interpret that has having any intention of being disrespectful?. When people talk about "gaijin" being offensive it's just over sensitive P.C. bull crap. I've been living here for 6 years and speak fluent Japanese. Gaijin is not as derogatory as most foreigners who know two words of Japanese seem to think.Quote:
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09-25-2013, 05:32 PMFuddy
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09-25-2013, 05:49 PMGiseleValkyrie
Another thread making generalizations about everyone in the NA/EU while circle jerking saying the Japanese players are perfect in all ways...lovely love this community :D
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09-25-2013, 05:52 PMTherefPlease tell me which part of my original post on this thread that generalizing about everyone in the NA/EUQuote:
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Please tell me which part of my original post on this thread saying that Japanese players are perfect in all ways
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09-25-2013, 05:54 PMGiseleValkyriereferring to all the other post. Pretty sure no one will say that they have alot more nice players sure but some of the post here are honestly just :/Quote:
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09-25-2013, 05:55 PMTherefSadly but true, I don't know why my thread become this :( http://puu.sh/3c70i.pngQuote:
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09-25-2013, 05:57 PMNoristerthat word gets used a little too muchQuote:
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09-25-2013, 05:58 PMGiseleValkyrieI'm not blaming you :/Quote:
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09-25-2013, 06:24 PMFeathery
I don't think our community is so bad (referring to the NA community) compared to other gaming communities. There's a schism between what people in the forum are describing and what's actually happening ingame.
My experience right now 1-50 is that it's not all the doom and gloom some people want to make it out to be. But yes there are definitely more bad apples at 50 than there were when I was leveling. What we can do however, which is within our full power as a community is, lead by example, I greet my fellow party members whenever we go in and thank them when we are done. Now if I can influence even 1 or 2 people to do the same, and they in turn can influence a few then it will lead to a positive behavior that will spread.
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09-26-2013, 12:35 AMOrsnoireYou're the first person I've met who lived in Japan and doesn't acknowledge that Gaijin is often perjorative.Quote:
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It's disrespectful in the same way that "Wetbacks" "Chinks" or "Beaners" is offensive. Just because you don't acknowledge the fact doesn't make it any less true. -
09-26-2013, 01:30 AMHed
Hurray for more NA bashing. I don't mind partying with anyone but seriously I've run in to just as many bad English speaking players as I have bad Japanese speaking players. The only difference is I can actually talk to the bad English speaking where as I end up pulling my hair out trying to explain something to Japanese with auto translate. Then you have those truly magical horrible players who don't speak at all. They act as if they're not being addressed and never make an attempt to try to communicate.
Granted I always do see the Japanese saying things such as the OP mentioned. I just usually do the standard Hello! Nice to meet you. Because it's rude not to say anything when someone is being polite and that is what I'm limited to with the current options.
On the other hand I see plenty of English speaking players who say hello albeit in different terms but it's not nearly as bad as all the complainers on this forum would have you believe. If we fail a dungeon or for example we failed Garuda last night repeatedly. The DD's simply could not get her down fast enough and failed to do a limit break the one time we would have won it. Sure I was frustrated. However I was not rude and wished them well on future attempts. No one rage quit. No one bashed anyone.
The Japanese we tried to do it with however did just about as well. Probably would have won if the black mage would've followed suit and dps'd the adds. After trying to explain it the best we could countless times we gave up. It just wasn't helping. Nothing changed and we kept wiping while trying to hide behind the stones in that final stage. I did leave rather abruptly without saying anything. In retrospect I probably should not have because that's not how I normally do things but at the same time I feel that the Japanese player who did know the fight should have been doing more to explain it the other what they were doing wrong. I didn't feel that they were incapable but the lack of communication in this game seriously hindered that fight. I basically left over frustration. Not anger.
I enjoy playing with Japanese players and I appreciate their manners. I remember running parties with them many times on XI and having very good parties. I remember a lot of the same from the English side as well. It just depends on your luck which you get. Not on the culture. In XI though, you knew who was good and who was not. That was the beauty of finding parties on your server only. No one does this any more unless you're part of a FC or get a decent pick up group through shout.
I will be moving From Masamune to a non Legacy NA server soon but in the future hopefully they will implement a wider range of communication options with Japanese players. Then I might not feel so inclined to queue for English only.
I do agree with many on one point. It's not ALL NA players being rude or refusing to work together as a team. They come in all shapes and sizes and the bashing of NA/EU players on the forums really needs to stop. Sowing further dissent and driving a wedge between the community is not the way to handle it.