Amdapor Keep Changes Unfair

All it really boils down to is trash not being worth the time. People were only doing speed runs in the first place because there's no incentive to kill trash. It feels more like a chore than a fun experience.

I would sooner farm Ifrit, Garuda and Titan Hard Modes 50 times than I would run something like a Dungeon simply because bosses are actually fun to fight and yield a reward upon completion.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Sum up the whole thread =>

1.Trash mob are too useless since level-50 players don't need exp from them, and they not drop anything useful.
2.the requirement to enter end-game dungeon is full darklight set which would require 60 runs of Amdapor Keep "per class", and this is way too boring, and the game will not be fun to require players to repeat so much of the same loop, which is why players would quit the game players not enjoy.
3.old players who always play multiple classes until now are forced to choose only one class to play, because it is too lengthy to farm full set of gear for every class they play. The time to get gear probably longer than the time they level up from 1 to 50.

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Here's a more direct, accurate sum up.

"I want everything, for very little effort, as quickly as possible."

The crafted ilvl70 gear is crap compared to darklight set. even if they have materia slots. It is still not comparable to the darklight.

The only way for it to be on par with the darklight stat is you have to craft high quality ilvl70 items. The the item required for high quality is 9pcs of the item that cost 125 philo stones.

So yeah, you cant really get ilvl70 gears without spamming ak or castrum. And sadly those have no gears cant run both because people are now requiring players to be geared in order to run with them.

Duty Finder is not an option out of 10duty finder group i had for ak only 3 managed to finish and took 1hour 15mins

so the players who just got to 50 are basically stuck. Cant run AK because they need gears and to have gears you need ak

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Originally Posted by Xiroth

Here's a more direct, accurate sum up.

"I want everything, for very little effort, as quickly as possible."

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What part of not wanting to repeat the same, unchanging formula for 60 hours for a single set of armour to allow them to play real endgame content coincides with that statement in the slightest?

Or are you actually attracted for banging your head against a wall for 60 hours?

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Originally Posted by Astralis

The crafted ilvl70 gear is crap compared to darklight set. even if they have materia slots. It is still not comparable to the darklight.

The only way for it to be on par with the darklight stat is you have to craft high quality ilvl70 items. The the item required for high quality is 9pcs of the item that cost 125 philo stones.

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Pretty much this. NQ crafted ilvl70 gear is inferior to Darklight. With melds it barely surpasses it, if not matching it. It needs to be HQ in order to be superior to Darklight. Alsoooo to those people who are like...ya, go craft your set...guess what? You either need to be rich to do so or grind Castrum, where your gear will degrade much faster then normal even on a perfect clear. There isn't anyway around this. They simply need to spread mythology to the other level 50 dungeons. 100/40 or 50 for Castrum/Prae sounds good to me. Stacking it in 1 dungeon is a very bad move.

I suppose I could have grinded FATEs last week and moved on to speed runs in AK asap before they fixed it. Instead I ran Stone Vigil, darkhold and other dungeons while leveling crafts.

I did this for several reasons:
1) Bahumut's Coil is not the name of the game, it's FFXIV ARR
2) Getting AF2 gear or even darklight is not my only goal. Checking out all the content and leveling different classes is. Oh and socializing in an MMORPG (gasp)
3) There are 5 endgame dungeons (not counting Bahumut) and 3 primals. Speedrunning AK is not the only option (even darkhold and Stone Vigil give some tokens): Aurum, AK, CM, Praetorium, WP.
4) I also need to max out my GC rank (since I didn't zerg Fates, ie. mindnumbing grind requiring no skill)
5) I really wasn't interested in tanking for a bunch of people obsessed with speed runs, skipping cutscenes, and bailing on new 50's. I'd rather tank for the people that are enjoying the game.
6) I have no interest in "finishing" any MMORPG in less than 30 days because I know developers can't possibly spit content out that fast. I don't eat the whole box of ding dongs the day I buy them either.

Sure there are other dungeons that give tokens but it isnt efficient to others who are playing woth limited time because of work and wanted to get gears asap.

Not everyone have the luxury of time to grind all those dungeons who gives minimal tokens.

Its okay if everyone is on the same boat. But no, some already maximize the benefits of speedrum and its unfair to those who havent had the chance

madness. If endgame gear is the only thing you play for then frustration and disappointment will find you in any and every MMO.

if it's challenge, then trying content without full dark light will suffice.

if it's variety, there are tons of other classes and 50 levels of content.

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Originally Posted by Astralis

Sure there are other dungeons that give tokens but it isnt efficient to others who are playing woth limited time because of work and wanted to get gears asap.

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I think what's more important concerning efficiency is the matter of playing the same repetitive dungeons 60+ times isn't so much a time issue, as it is one of tediousness. I'd be willing to put in 60 hours to get my gear and not complain about it if those 60 hours were really fun, varied, and engaging, and tested and developed my skills and understanding of the game. Instead, we get maybe one hour of fun gameplay, and 59 hours of monotony that's a flashy interface and a paycheque away from a full time job.

So it takes about 20-30min more do to a AK run now. I thought I would hate the change but was surprised that it wasn't all that boring to clear it all.

Meet some cool people and even get to teach some that was new to the place.