Gear level, the final nail in the games coffin.

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Originally Posted by Mkilbride

Welp. Now, we'll see shouts "LF X class, with gear level x"

Now people will be even more elitist. Christ. I saw this in another game before and it's just god awful. Elitism is already in the game, and then they make stuff to support it?

It's such a shitty thing to do to a game. "You've got all LV50 gear, really good stuff, some of the best, but your GL is 65, and we only want people with GL70, so go away."

Making Dungeons GL dependent as well. They're TRYING to kill all the fun with this game. Everytime I start to think it could be saved, Yoshi P dashes in and says "no, it can't! I'll cave to fan demand and add stuff that the VOCAL MINORITY wants!"


FFXI was my favorite MMORPG, and yes, I know this isn't XI, and everyone here hates XI, but I'd liked how in XI, in those end-game raids and the like, people didn't complain about your gear. They just had fun doign it, win or lose. I'd like to at least get XI's awesome community back.

Changes like this prevent a good community from forming.

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Ok ok had to laugh a few times here :D. So i try to be as polite as i can be and give u some PRIME EXAMPLES from my past encounters with what u call "killing fun in the game" sir.

- We are doing Amdapor, the healer didn´t even borther to go into wanders palace for the ilvl55 Gear, so we just wipe at the 2nd Boss because he dies very fast - due to gear he has "low-life" and less "heal" so naturally if we were a normal PUG and not a 3man darklight group we would wipe till the dungeon timer runs out on the 2nd Boss. In our case the healer dies right after the Bees die and we still kill the Boss w/o a healer.. sounds that fun to you? I hope not.

- Next one is Garuda Version of course. PPl kill with level Gear Ifrit so hey, now they can q with the same "lvl 45" AF low end Gear Garuda right? Harder Boss but same gear... when the healer goes oom in p2 right again fun for u right? They will just outskill the content... but wait he can´t he has only X amount of MP and X amount of heal with that gear.

- Now to Titan, where it gets even worse. Somehow the healer got LUCK on Garuda and had a premade group of 6ppl maybe carry him through. Now he can go Titan. GREAT. AF gear lvl 45 and hes on Titan with 2,7k Life. He will go OOM, he will die to the stomps after the heart, and as u know, u get only 2 HEALER on DF on Titan. So say goodbye to the kill, cause its impossible to carry a healer in that particual encounter anymore.

And now u come in and say the Ilvl req. for dungeons ruin the game? Did they in WoW? Surely not as are still 7Mio playing that game.

U see, 1 guy with low-end gear can ruin 7 other ppl in an dungeon. It takes only 1 guy. Now think about 2-3 low-end geared ppl on Titan. ITS IMPOSSIBLE. U wont have enough dmg even with LB3 on the heart etc..

So now a secret: An MMORPGS progression is all around getting your character pimped, difficult content will get progressively easier with gear and so u need to have better gear for a more challenging content - thats a fact and not a thesis like u do with your "kill all the fun with the gearscore" which is simply not true at all - its the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Ehhh AK is doable with af. Asking for more than af from pugs for AK is the kind of elitism OP is talking about.

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Easily doable with AF. AK is not about gear, it's about reflexes. Been doing it in AF for a few days now. Picked up some new gear on the way, of course, but all it took was a bit of practice and the gear point is completely moot.

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Originally Posted by ace28

What's classed as a decent gear level? My Marauder is 70 in full Af and a Skirmish axe.

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It's an average based on the ilvl of all the items you have equipped, how strict the gear checks will be is anyone's guess but I hope its half decent.

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Originally Posted by Issac

+1;

Easily doable with AF. AK is not about gear, it's about reflexes. Been doing it in AF for a few days now. Picked up some new gear on the way, of course, but all it took was a bit of practice and the gear point is completely moot.

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To be fair if you are a poorly geared tank doing AK (and yes I class full AF poorly geared for that instance) you are just making the healers job more difficult, but if that's they way you prefer to play then good for you.

There is a good reason why ilvl 55 gear drops in Wanderers Palace.

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Originally Posted by Spirea

Its so people using level 25 gear who fate farmed 20 levels can't enter AK and wipe the party because he gets 1-shotted as a tank or heals worse than a black mage.

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I'll have you know as a BLM I've saved a number of wipes from happening after healer face-planted. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

It's an average based on the ilvl of all the items you have equipped, how strict the gear checks will be is anyone's guess but I hope its half decent.

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I know what a gear score is, I was just wondering what score would be considered good. 70 seemed high for AF considering some of the other posts.

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Originally Posted by ace28

I know what a gear score is, I was just wondering what score would be considered good. 70 seemed high for AF considering some of the other posts.

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Guessing here but it'll probably be something like iLvl of gear that drops minus 5-10. So AK would be about 50-55. (iLvl60 drops), Ifrit would also be about 50-55 (iLvl60 weapons) Garuda and Titan drop iLvl70 weapons so 60-65. Perhaps a bit higher for Titan due to the DPS requirement for the heart. Carried over 1.0 Moogle weapons are at the moment also iLvl70.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

It's an average based on the ilvl of all the items you have equipped, how strict the gear checks will be is anyone's guess but I hope its half decent.



To be fair if you are a poorly geared tank doing AK (and yes I class full AF poorly geared for that instance) you are just making the healers job more difficult, but if that's they way you prefer to play then good for you.

There is a good reason why ilvl 55 gear drops in Wanderers Palace.

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I don't always play tank in AK. All my DoW/DoM are 50.
AK is about evasion, not spanking and tanking. There's an exception at the last boss, but I seriously have not had a problem yet. I'm sorry, you're just incorrect.

Actually, come to think of it, my biggest boss in AK is r0. Receive 0. ><

This really doesn't make a difference. I'm sure elitist players have eyes and could just inspect your gear and deny you currently. I personally don't need a mod to tell me if someone's gear is trash lol. Just relax and enjoy the game dude. I mean duty finder wont ever call you out :D. I did HM ifirit a few times, took him down in dirtball gear. Cheers :D.

They better not put a min level on castrum, It has been very nice to grab an FC group and run it in vendor gear for souldbind.

I'm fine with ilvl requirements for things that have HARSH gear checks, like everything in this game past ifrit, but I think a better solution would have been completely removing these difficult encounters(you're never going to PUG titan, why even have it in duty finder?, and two tanks? really?)from the duty finder and forcing everyone to form communtiies, find a FC, and make a static for end game content.

You should be able to duty finder your way to 50, but end game content should require actual social skills, teamwork, and friends to get stuff done.

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Originally Posted by WhiteGarden

Let's be honest, gear score/check is only necessary because of the duty finder.

Its all downhill from here.

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Pretty much, I like that duty finder was horrible for level50 content, between hour long DPS queues and very high chance of getting badly geared players, it encouraged people to find a FC/LS/friends/form a community. Making it easier for people to press a button and find players to play with isn't something that should exist at end game in a MMO, especially not one this grindy and challenging(Not complaining I love it).

Hopefully 2.1's same-server board thing is nice, but I doubt many people will actually use it when it takes more effort than press button - > afk.