Are Monks weakest DPS?

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Lol Dragoon are squishier then monks, while they have the lower dps.

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Funny, didn't find anyone yet with my current lvl of gear in pug able to deal as much dps as I could, simply because most of monks aren't managin to keep up their 36% dps buff all the time + dots and the rest.

If anything dragoon is amazing on sustained dps and it goes ridiculously high when crit is involved. Gotta love Chaos Trust. Otherwise this is how its workin atm :

-> Monks and Dragoons for sustained single target dps, dragoon have crappy aoe but it help
-> Black Mage and Bard for bursty encounters, this is where it get crazy
-> All the rest for your normal dps. Altho I'd say that Scholar is kinda crazy if your targets are properly debuffed non stop

While the nuances of effectiveness regarding each DPS class/job may be mystified still, I believe we can conclude the answer to the question posed by the OP is a resounding no. Monks are not "the weakest DPS". Not by a long shot.

At this point, I can't say there is conclusive evidence to suggest any of the DPS jobs are particularly weak, but it is evident that MNK is a staple job for sustained single-target DPS.

Given that parsers have trouble picking up actual DoT damage, the best way to measure stationary DPS presently is through the use of the test dummies, by way of determining their HP values and timing their depletion.

How the heck are you people saying Monks are worst?? Dragoon has aprox an average of 200-220 potency per attack. With a 2.5 second GCD... Monks (with optimal rotation) have an average of 176 on a 2.5 GCD. - Note that this is WITHOUT ANY damage buffs. - Basically while fully stacked up we have a 239.6 average potency on a 2.5 GCD. Then again.. i personally have 2.04 GCD.. yea.. With the repeated usage of OGCD Abilities.. yea.

Doing the math.
If all Dots and buffs are up. I come to exactly 330 potency per 2.5 seconds (-resistance debuff cause i don't know how i would calculate that)
Drg has 252 with all their dots and buffs. Of average potency per 2.5 seconds.

note: This is while EVERYTHING is going on. Like all Dots all buffs everything.
This is not 100% true but it's a rough calculation.

Now please if someone is still trying to say we are the weakest class. Please tell me a class that does 330 potency per 2.5 seconds.

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Originally Posted by CursedCoffee

Currently monks are the best dps in the game. The trick is to stop using demolish and touch of death. I'm not kidding. There are spread sheets out there, you can look it up for yourselves. But currently monks can parse for approximately 190-210 dps in level 45 AF gear. Other classes peak at about 170.
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Wait what? Can you please please provide a source or some more info? Is this still true? This is the only place I have ever heard of such a thing. I have heard that monk can be the best dps in longer fights, my friend is convinced that Black Mage is just the best dps at everything ever, which doesnt really make any sense. But I am trying to find more info on the best monk rotations etc.

Way to necro a dead thread.

Back then parsers didn't pick up DoTs very well, so the guy who recommended no Demolish or ToD was probably going off the faulty numbers parsers gave. There is no way Demolish or ToD shouldn't be used.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

Way to necro a dead thread.

Back then parsers didn't pick up DoTs very well, so the guy who recommended no Demolish or ToD was probably going off the faulty numbers parsers gave. There is no way Demolish or ToD shouldn't be used.

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Not only that, demolish has since been buffed a lot to the point that it's now a MNK's strongest attack (when positioned correctly -- though possibly either way). I read two pages of this without realizing it was a necro bump and was thoroughly confused. In any case, your friend who thinks BLM has the best DPS ever might be basing that on solo play, in which case he's correct. BLM does nice damage solo or with a group, while MNK does terrible damage if the mob is facing them and incredible damage if they can position correctly and have no substantial downtime. The DPS figures stated are really out of date given gear upgrades and what not.

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Originally Posted by Salaster

There are 4 other dps classes :

Bard : Bard is topping dps with Black Mage, so monk is lower.

Black Mage : There is no way a Monk can outdamage a Black mage, even in single target, with equal gear.

Dragoon : Dragoon is easier to play, does more damage Single target and AoE than monk.

Summoner : Summoner have slightly better dps than Monks if your pet doesn't die.

Quick answer : Yes Monks are the lowest dps. A well played BLM will do 30 to 40% more dps than a well played Monk with equal gear.

Monks bring :



To be honest I would never take a Monk over any other classes in a perfect 8man group but in 24man raids, they could be actually very useful for chaining mantras.

tldr : Monks have the lowest dps, they bring utility but the difference between their dps and other's doesn't justify a spot in an optimized group.

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Says the lvl 37 mnk....

Fail Fail Fail! I must stop reading! OP LTP! MNK > Everything Single Target

Why is this thread still a thing?
It's so 2013....
People didn't know what they are talking about there is no need to argue whether dots are useless or not because we all know dots are amazing.

More people reading only page one and not looking at dates and quoting!!!

It is funny to read the first few pages and see how much perceptions and conventions have changed, along with actual game changes.