We need more ways to make gold in this game.

why dark matter is not dropping in abundance in dungeons or gil in dungeons for clears is anyones guess but it baffles me its just poor design. I have a way of making gil right now but i assure u in 3 weeks top that will have tanked and ill be back to running crappy long boring tedious leves that give almost all no reward for the effort put in. I cant use my 44cul for anything because food just sucks and no one is using it. If tin pices etc drop in dungeon chests they should be distributed evenly not in most cases where one person can end up w/ all the $$$loot makes no damn sense. Pretty soon [people will be complaining in masses that dungeon drops are just bogus and so are primal drops because everyone puts in effort in a pt and one person if theyre lucky might gain something. this token system we got ??? they didnt mention to anyone that it would only apply to endgame dungeons and only to a very limited amount of gear that can be bettered w/ simple crafted gear.

As much of a non-factor as this is in being a solution to the problem, if you've ever done tradecraft you'll notice that turning in a HQ item will return you a tremendous amount of gil. I recall getting around 1k gil for turning in HQ 25 ltw leves in beta 3. I would assume that they are keeping their eyes on the gil on the servers. Possibly adding some dailies that reward Allagan pieces later on?

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Originally Posted by Meden123

It's amazing to me how many people don't understand the core concept of this argument. If you mentioned the market wards as a way to earn gil in this argument, you sir are a moron.

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Right. I'm a derp because I take advantage of the markets to make a profit to payoff what I need.

I get what you're saying. More money out of the system than into it, but at the same time if you're not taking advantage of every aspect, there's no one to blame but yourself. Will the system need to change eventually? Yes. When quests have mostly dried up and fewer new people are coming in, but in all honesty it's not that bad right now.

At least 'I' don't think it is. >.>

It's the same as the real world those making the gil will eventually get what they want and not have a reason to spend it. That gil dies... if you can't generate gil to maintain basic things eventually the game dies as it is driven by gil sinks that remove money at a disproportionate amount with what is coming in.

NPC sales don't generate much nor does anything else.

Let's say for instance that each server has a max capacity to generate in all quests 100 mill gil as that money is spent where is more coming from?

NPC sales?
Leves?
Dungeons?
GC Quests?

They will have to eventually do a dailies system so players can earn gil.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Right. I'm a derp because I take advantage of the markets to make a profit to payoff what I need.

I get what you're saying. More money out of the system than into it, but at the same time if you're not taking advantage of every aspect, there's no one to blame but yourself. Will the system need to change eventually? Yes. When quests have mostly dried up and fewer new people are coming in, but in all honesty it's not that bad right now.

At least 'I' don't think it is. >.>

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No, you're not a derp because you do something that everyone with a half of a brain is doing. That makes you mediocre, at best. You're a derp because your argument has nothing to do with the problem that the OP has brought to light.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Right. I'm a derp because I take advantage of the markets to make a profit to payoff what I need.

I get what you're saying. More money out of the system than into it, but at the same time if you're not taking advantage of every aspect, there's no one to blame but yourself. Will the system need to change eventually? Yes. When quests have mostly dried up and fewer new people are coming in, but in all honesty it's not that bad right now.

At least 'I' don't think it is. >.>

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No one said they weren't using the AH and everything at their disposal to make gil. I have made plenty off the AH. That doesn't mean that we can't see the overall issues going on.

No one in here is asking for help making money and half the posts here are people trying to give suggestions on how to do that.

Half the people in this thread to not understand that selling on the AH is not generating money, or a "gil fountain" vs using air ships and teleports(gil sinks). AH is NOT a way to generate money in the regard we are talking about.

ok there seems to be a bit of a confusion (well two confusions) first:
many people confusing personal money with global economy...this has been addressed so i will simply note it here,
the second: people confusing MONEY with WEALTH.
gil can be used to buy things, ok we all get this concept. but the thing you are buying is the point, not the gil. so for instance DoL and DoH are constantly generating WEALTH (i have HQ everything for instance and that is stuff i didn't have to buy, and were they not bound i could conceivably sell for gil, it is wealth) though not MONEY.
now if players could do everything there would be no problems, player would give player money for wealth AH would take some money out of the economy, the economy would decrease in overall money driving the cost of goods down and the same amount of wealth would get moved around.
the main complication happens when NPCs with their fixed amount of costs enter into the equations. no mater how the economy goes dark mater costs the same, and things the NPC sell remains the same. when it takes too much to keep your character up it's not worth it to generate wealth into the economy so people don't.
what can be done:
one: make dark mater mine-able and allow users to offer repair services. this is a source of wealth, it is a service which can be exchanged for goods independent of gill.
two: let people sell goods on the market that they have bound to. this adds fungibility to this source of wealth and encourages resell/hand-me-down
three: allow barter on the AH.

Wow, its really sad how dumb some of you people are. Sorry I don't mean to be rube but some of you are trolling away but you are in fact morons. Yes, individuals can make a lot of money right now in the market, but the profit is coming at a loss to the customer and an overall loss of total GIL in the world due to tax. The customer has little or no legit way to recoup what they are spending right now on the market, and once they finish the main story its GG. The people who spent all of their story GIL are eventually going to be broke as frack due to tele and repair costs. If the economy stays the way it is now, the people who made all the money in the market will eventually be broke too it will just take a lot longer. How is that not a broken system?

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Right. I'm a derp because I take advantage of the markets to make a profit to payoff what I need.

I get what you're saying. More money out of the system than into it, but at the same time if you're not taking advantage of every aspect, there's no one to blame but yourself. Will the system need to change eventually? Yes. When quests have mostly dried up and fewer new people are coming in, but in all honesty it's not that bad right now.

At least 'I' don't think it is. >.>

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He is not calling anyone a derp/scrub/noob for playing the market to increase their own wealth, if you think he is, then sorry you are missing the point of his comment and of this whole thread, he is stating that people who somehow think their personal wealth gained from other players somehow mean there isnt a problem with the Gil generation into and out of the economy are wrong and clearly dont understand how an economy actually works...therefore making thier posts completely irrelevant to the topic at hand in this thread

personal wealth is great for you /clap you can play the market

however due to bad design (the way it stands right now) the playerbase as a whole is losing Gil hand over fist back into the server compared to what they are making from the server and this is the problem,

your personal wealth may alleviate the pressure from YOU for a while, but it has no bearing on the health of the economy/playerbase as a whole, infact playing the market the way you do, using the AH/Market system, you are actually taking money out of the economy each time you use it to make a sale.

is anyone telling you to stop...no its not your fault the system is the way it is...however, the way the economy works right now, is broken, and needs attention.