I think FFXIV should be more political actually

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Can you give an example of politics done well in fantasy which bares no relation to real world politics?

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Talk about chasing windmills, lol. Of course RL events can bleed into fiction but people want that fantasy element to mix with the story. It's like the detective Pikachu movie taking a shot at global warming in a world where they subjugate pocket monsters with powers that would render that issue moot. Quit replacing an argument with being obtuse, lol.

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Originally Posted by Corgain

Why do you need an example if it isn't to attempt to pick it apart to find some loose correlation to something real? That is what this looks to clearly be.

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I'm just trying to understand your position. I don't think the thing you're asking for exists or can exist so I'm interested to learn where you're coming from.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Talk about chasing windmills, lol. Of course RL events can bleed into fiction but people want that fantasy element to mix with the story. It's like the detective Pikachu movie taking a shot at global warming in a world where they subjugate pocket monsters with powers that would render that issue moot. Quit replacing an argument with being obtuse, lol.

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That is similar to the opinion I was trying to convey. Loose political things are fine. War in a fantasy game over land, resources, religion etc.. fine. That is something to be expected within almost any setting. But having a group of knights sitting around in a fantasy world, with a development level of 14th century Europe having a chat about "commies" or modern gender theory makes no sense within the setting. I thought what I was alluding to was pretty clear. General politics = fine. Things specific to MODERN Earth, leave to settings that make sense, like those that take place ON Earth or a similar world, with similar populations.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I'm just trying to understand your position. I don't think the thing you're asking for exists or can exist so I'm interested to learn where you're coming from.

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I mean, I can name plenty. Final Fantasy 9 is a good one. It's completely whimsical. Sure it asks real philisophical questions about life, self-worth, identity/ self-purpose, etc.. But those are questions that can exist anywhere, in any setting realistically. They aren't sitting around talking about things like modern race issues, immigration, gender theory, etc. That's what I mean when I say loose political/social philosophies and something ripped right out of modern discourse.

And those topics are very toxic and divisive. I have seen fanbases eat themselves over such things. Dragon Age The Veilgaurd is a good recent example of a series and fanbase that self destructed over modern socio-political issues working their way into a fantasy setting.

I think it is fine to use something as inspiration if its presented in a way that shows competence and understanding of the subject matter.

If its delivered as an ultimatum then it's bad. Love Wuk Lamat or else. How about no.

And its the same with villain forces. Up to DT we were getting pretty thorough and balanced experiences. With Bakool Ja Ja they blazed through his societal trauma and instantly redeemed him. A lot of the themes in DT have real world correlations but they are handled with kid gloves.

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Originally Posted by Corgain

I mean, I can name plenty. Final Fantasy 9 is a good one. It's completely whimsical. Sure it asks real philisophical questions about life, self-worth, identity/ self-purpose, etc.. But those are questions that can exist anywhere, in any setting realistically. They aren't sitting around talking about things like modern race issues, immigration, gender theory, etc. That's what I mean when I say loose political/social philosophies and something ripped right out of modern discourse.

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I don't see FF9 as an example of a game that focuses on political themes or topics, let alone that handles them in a way that has no bearing on real world influences. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I don't see FF9 as an example of a game that focuses on political themes or topics, let alone that handles them in a way that has no bearing on real world influences. Have a nice day.

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"I don't see..."

Gonna elaborate on that and refute his points or just going to say "I don't see it therefore it doesn't count.", in a very wordy way? lol

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

"I don't see..."

Gonna elaborate on that and refute his points or just going to say "I don't see it therefore it doesn't count.", in a very wordy way? lol

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They have an opinion I don't share. The world is big enough for both of us. Is that ok with you?

IX definitely does not have a class based society nor any allusions to slavery. There's certain no nuclear weapons race in the form of summons. Black Mages don't form a collectivist society after being freed or anything.

Point being IX is political without lecturing you. Perhaps more importantly these subjects touch so many time periods and civilizations its hard to claim it "references a real world event" specifically.

Whereas if you just rip trends directly out of Western news from a specific set of years about a very specific topic and then make it a black and white situation with zero nuance it just makes the writer seem shallow.