How not to be a mentor

The mentor is innocent untill proven guilty, OP has not shown any evidence other than their testimony

Case closed

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

OP hasn't commented at all since and has made 2 posts.

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Of course not. Not even "regular" forum white knights are able to defend this without looking like absolute fools. You are basically the only one left at this point. You can draw your own conclusions as to what it makes you look like.

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

Of course not. Not even "regular" forum white knights are able to defend this without looking like absolute fools. You are basically the only one left at this point. You can draw your own conclusions as to what it makes you look like.

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Someone who doesn't believe in mistreating others in a video game just because they don't play well. Hope that helps!

OP hasn't commented since because they've made a fool out of themselves.

They've provided no evidence of a mentor having said or done anything toxic to them. In lieu of literally ANY evidence from either the mysterious mentor or OP all that anyone can do is draw conclusions based on recorded logs of their gameplay. From those logs it's quite obvious that they're not doing "Something" right. Doing 0 DPS? That makes you a healbot. I'd say this puts you on the same level as the Garrison healers but even they're capable of using DPS abilities when there is nothing to heal. It's only natural a Mentor would notice this behaviour, and actually do their job by providing advice, which gets taken as a personal insult and framed as "Mentor Toxicity!" in all likeliness. I'm tired of these attitudes, and I'm tired of hearing these exagerated stories constantly both on the forums, and in Novice Network chats. If you want to be a heal bot and waste everyones time by doing the bare minimum expected of your role you should be playing with the duty support NPC's, and not wasting the time of the three other people you're playing with. If you have insecurities about playing your role incorrectly the resources are out there to learn, you can ask for advice in Novice Network, you can ask that dreaded toxic mentor for feedback even - But they make no active efforts to do so, because they don't care about the time of the other people they're playing with.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Someone who doesn't believe in mistreating others in a video game just because they don't play well. Hope that helps!

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It's nothing of the sort. It's yet another forum post disrespecting mentors whilst proving nothing. Sure there are plenty of terrible mentors, but a lot of them are genuine and honestly try to help other players. OP came here to add to the mentor hate with no proof of anything yet looking validation on their antics.

You are correct that we also don't have the evidence of this certain incident, which is why when facing a situation like this you look to all available information on the people involved before making a decision. The evidence available that the not DPSing tracks with OP stlye of play which is why it was called out. I have yet to see any evidence to suggest that the mentor involved did anything wrong when he gave his advice. It's possible, no one here would dispute that, but without evidence you cannot say they are being mistreated because they don't like the feedback they are recieving.

No one here is looking to bully, mistreat or harrass anyone, it's that it's an mmo and you have to respect the time of all players involved. You can take them to the water but you can't make them drink it. If they don't want to take your advice and they want to waste peoples time by not making a reasonable effort, [again, no one is expecting everyone to be superstars] then the party should absolutely consider kicking said player if they just want to get on with it.

Giving feedback isn't mistreating someone, but going out of your way to post of the forums with hearsay and no evidence just to discredit a group of players to incite more hate is ridiculous and is why most people in this thread have called it out.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

OP hasn't commented since because they've made a fool out of themselves[…]

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Or they’ve done what they wanted to do: baiting folks to argue at one another while they watch the world burn.

Stop spamming Medica

If a run's going smoothly and we're moving along without noticeably long pauses, then I'm not going to care if the healer is dpsing or not. The dps are obviously doing their jobs. If someone in that situation was harping on dps and was typing more than fighting, they're probably the one I'd get annoyed with. A dungeon really isn't the time or place for extensive instruction. I've seen some mentors try to do that when the rest of us are just trying to get through the run, so there are some mentors who do need to pick their timing better.

Nothing wrong with it and also you only need to do spot healing in Expert Roulette, this faster the things die this better, if you focus too much on healing you would slow down the group severe, but again it depends on the tank, alot of paper tanks out there too.

The focus in FFXIV is that every job regardless of being healer, tank, full time dps is DPS.

DPS > Heal/Tank/off things.


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I would also like to add that there is DPS jobs that do horrible as well meaning more heals will be needed on the trash pulls, due to they do not do AOE's and more more down those lines, so no one is safe for doing a bad job.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

If a run's going smoothly and we're moving along without noticeably long pauses, then I'm not going to care if the healer is dpsing or not. The dps are obviously doing their jobs. If someone in that situation was harping on dps and was typing more than fighting, they're probably the one I'd get annoyed with. A dungeon really isn't the time or place for extensive instruction. I've seen some mentors try to do that when the rest of us are just trying to get through the run, so there are some mentors who do need to pick their timing better.

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If one person isn’t doing half their job then by definition the run isn’t going smoothly