Another World First Clear got disqualified due to "Cheating"

It's embarrassing that our game's top progression raiders consistently can't figure out or don't have the self-control to keep their third-party tool use a secret.

The issue is that, even with streaming, ppl can still hide plugins from their point of view, including filtering out audio callouts. Unless SQEX implements measures to make ACT and plugins ineffective, the R2WF will simply turn into a race to see who can catch the cheaters first.
They can make it appear as if they're playing the game legitimately, but in reality, their screen is cluttered with addons, and they have hundreds of audio and visual callouts running simultaneously.
In the end, I wasn't paying any attention to the race. I only found out about it when a kill video appeared on my YouTube homepage.

So far, this is the fifth time ppl got caught cheating
UCOB: TTS callouts
DSR: UI mods + TTS callouts
TEA: Waymarks hack
TOP: Zoomhack
FRU: hitbox plugin

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

A point is that the use of parsers can be seen as mandatory for raiders, even ignore all the culture around it in the raiding scene, do consider: This is a game where high end content has enrages, to ensure you actually play well, and don't just walk in with 4 RDM and spam rezzes until the boss falls over, enrages are essentially raid-long DPS checks, the game never gives you any way to tell if you are doing well or not in terms of DPS, there is no way to tell if your rotation is good or not, or even if you did follow a guide, if you are executing it well, maybe you are concerned to fumble it in the heat of the moment, parsers are the only way to be certain that you are up to par, because the game never gives you a way to know otherwise.

ACT does have more to it than a parser, but that's a whole other can of worms, it's a framework tool, and how each person uses the framework is on them.

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That's a load of baloney. Every skill says how much potency damage it deals. The rotation that deals more potency is the one that will deal higher damage. You don't need to have a 3rd party plugin installed to go to a website / discord of your choice and find the optimal rotation for any job you are interested in. If the guide with the optimal rotation says "use skill A, then B, then C", and the players don't do that, what difference does a 3rd party plugin that violate the ToS make?
And no, ACT is definitely NOT required to raid. What is required though, is people actually learning their job and not having an uptime of 65% even against striking dummy bosses.

Ill put this here like or not. Where ever there is competition ppl will always cheat. Its just how it is. If this is surprising its pretty amazing were still shovked. Fool me once shame on me fool me twice shame on you fool me......Sorry its just how it is. World first should no longer be a thing. Its been proven time after another.

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Originally Posted by JimCasey_RF6

It's embarrassing that our game's top progression raiders consistently can't figure out or don't have the self-control to keep their third-party tool use a secret.

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I argue it’s just stupidity. Like they killed and the person responsible for the screenshot didn’t use his brain anymore after I assume 14 hours of progging and just pressed the screenshot button without any thought behind it. But it’s still kinda funny that these third party fails are from the Japanese player base that is heavy anti third party tool.

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

And no, ACT is definitely NOT required to raid. What is required though, is people actually learning their job and not having an uptime of 65% even against striking dummy bosses.

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Yea this idea that a parser is mandatory for raiding is ridiculous, especially in a thread about world first players. If a world first team has to worry about a player not doing enough dps then that team frankly has no business even attempting to get world 50th, never mind world first.

The plug-ins that typically cause discourse in the world race are related to those that reduce how observant you need to be. Such as an overlay that shows you the exact size of your hitbox at all times, automated marking, audio cues to remember things for you, etc. Things that actually reduce the mental workload of doing mechanics so you can concentrate more on dps.

The red dot memes have been pretty hilarious. I saw a screenshot where someone cosplayed their character as the red dot. Even did the hill gradient on their leggings and everything.

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Originally Posted by AllenThyl

That's a load of baloney. Every skill says how much potency damage it deals. The rotation that deals more potency is the one that will deal higher damage. You don't need to have a 3rd party plugin installed to go to a website / discord of your choice and find the optimal rotation for any job you are interested in. If the guide with the optimal rotation says "use skill A, then B, then C", and the players don't do that, what difference does a 3rd party plugin that violate the ToS make?
And no, ACT is definitely NOT required to raid. What is required though, is people actually learning their job and not having an uptime of 65% even against striking dummy bosses.

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ACT is simply a way to make this games horrendous battle log actually useable it is not remotely the problem. Here a list of important and relevant information to a prog that the games battle log DOESNT SHOW (there is much more this is just off the top of my head)

1) how much an attack is mitigated as a net percentage when mitigation is stacked
2) what the overkill is of an attack that killed you
3) what entity the attack originated from for the purposes of targeted mitigation
4) whether a positional hit or not

The battle log also doesn’t allow

-zooming in around a particular death to look at the damage profile around it
-separation based on player/role
-isolation of non boss entities that also execute mechanics

And many others

ACT isn’t just a DPS meter, it’s a method to make this game’s absolutely borked battle log somewhat usable for its actual purpose

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Originally Posted by technole

Plus they probably could have gotten away with it. The person who posted the FRU clear screen wasn't in the clear party, likely one of the team's "9th man" watching the streams privately. The raid leader posted the team roster and the poster was on it. It's typical for hardcore world first teams to have extra members as eagle eyes and advisors for the raid, just they forgot this one detail in the end.

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That's BS. Pixel Perfect only applies in-game, and it will not appear if you are watching a stream, as that is not an overlay like DPS metter is. Nice try, next!

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

ACT is simply a way to make this games horrendous battle log actually useable it is not remotely the problem. Here a list of important and relevant information to a prog that the games battle log DOESNT SHOW (there is much more this is just off the top of my head)

1) how much an attack is mitigated as a net percentage when mitigation is stacked
2) what the overkill is of an attack that killed you
3) what entity the attack originated from for the purposes of targeted mitigation
4) whether a positional hit or not

The battle log also doesn’t allow

-zooming in around a particular death to look at the damage profile around it
-separation based on player/role
-isolation of non boss entities that also execute mechanics

And many others

ACT isn’t just a DPS meter, it’s a method to make this game’s absolutely borked battle log somewhat usable for its actual purpose

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Sounds like ACT is a cheating tool.

If it was just a dps meter - fine. But with all this additional information it provides you clearly have an advantage over people who don't use ACT / are on console.