The real reason there are even subscribers in 2024

The real reason WoW, FFXIV and GW2 are still played is cause of lack of competition and sunk-cost fallency. The popular MMO don't have to improve or be innovative cause there no other real options and people will stay on it unless you screw up hard.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

The real reason WoW, FFXIV and GW2 are still played is cause of lack of competition and sunk-cost fallency. The popular MMO don't have to improve or be innovative cause there no other real options and people will stay on it unless you screw up hard.

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Or people just like the gameplay more. You know that thing is claimed no one likes here.

No forced PvP. No massive gate keeping like Lost Ark. No running around in circles 1 shotting brainless mobs in BDO. No gender-exclusive classes. While DTs story wasn’t as strong it runs laps around most other mmos.

There are a lot of other games out there. By no competition - there is. These games are just more liked.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

No forced PvP. No massive gate keeping like Lost Ark. No running around in circles 1 shotting brainless mobs in BDO. No gender-exclusive classes. While DTs story wasn’t as strong it runs laps around most other mmos.

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Finally someone that actually played other MMOs here lmao.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Or people just like the gameplay more. You know that thing is claimed no one likes here.

No forced PvP. No massive gate keeping like Lost Ark. No running around in circles 1 shotting brainless mobs in BDO. No gender-exclusive classes. While DTs story wasn’t as strong it runs laps around most other mmos.

There are a lot of other games out there. By no competition - there is. These games are just more liked.

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that kinda my point too. The popular mmo right now got their little unique thing, but there no competition on these little thing. You don't have other story driven MMO in the market. GW2 and WoW also dosen't have massive gate keeping, running around one shottting brainless mob or gender exclusive classes.

My point is mostly that if you find, let say FFXIV story driven content good, but the gameplay lacking, well you don't have Any other option for a story driven mmo. And even if one come out an try to be ''FFXIV but better'' it will just die due to lack on content compared to the 10 years we got here and the sunk cost fallency. There a reason why all the tab target ''WoW killer'' died soon after launch.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

that kinda my point too. The popular mmo right now got their little unique thing, but there no competition on these little thing. You don't have other story driven MMO in the market. GW2 and WoW also dosen't have massive gate keeping, running around one shottting brainless mob or gender exclusive classes.

My point is mostly that if you find, let say FFXIV story driven content good, but the gameplay lacking, well you don't have Any other option for a story driven mmo. And even if one come out an try to be ''FFXIV but better'' it will just die due to lack on content compared to the 10 years we got here and the sunk cost fallency. There a reason why all the tab target ''WoW killer'' died soon after launch.

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ESO is story driven. It's just the stories are not as strong and the gameplay / floaty combat is worse IMO. So it's competition, but worse IMO. And it seems many agree as it's just not as populated as XIV.

Again, there are probably MMOs that try to do a variety of things XIV does, but the competition is just not as good at it. That doesn't mean there isn't competition.

10 years of content is hard to overcome, but if a game is outstanding it can. XIV came onto the market 14 years after EQ1 and that generation of MMOs.

MMO players flood to every new MMO that releases, at least at first. There is a market for new MMOs, they just simply are not as good.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Black Desert Online it took the number one spot for being best MMO out there. FFXIV ranked 5th last time I checked

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? I haven't even heard BDO mentioned by friends in like half a decade. What system/media made this rating?

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

? I haven't even heard BDO mentioned by friends in like half a decade. What system/media made this rating?

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IDK and honestly don't bother playing it. It's a PVP P2W mess and the PVE content is extremely lackluster. The rest of the game is pretty much Island Sanctuary: The MMO.

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Originally Posted by HighlanderClone

Explain why you have to do hunt trains or Expert over and over again for six to seven weeks to get BiS for Ultimate then??

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Considering you can cap out on tomes, weekly, with less than an hour of play a day, I would say that's not a grind.

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you call that grind ? How innocent you are

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This made me chuckle. Some of these youngins will never understand the true meaning of grind.

Square Enix has been a laughing stock of a company for years. It will never get better. Dawntrail will likely be the last expansion for many people before they switch to a different game. The “other MMO” is coming back and its newest expansion has good reviews. Square Enix is so incompetent that it likely doesn’t realize how important roleplaying and modding are to its bottom line. It’s a sad company that only exists to remake old titles, which were made with actual talent. Now that they killed off the classes and all the old content that made the game great, FFXIV no longer deserves its “mainline entry” status. It’s now a small app for making your avatar like IMVU. Fans have added more content to the game than Square Enix has in the past four years.