Yoshi P - Your next live letter, DT msq and the damage to the brand

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Originally Posted by Elaithe

This is such an absurd post it's hard to even like fully comprehend that a serious person is actually saying this stuff.

They put out 10 years of bangers, start a new story from scratch, and y'all can't even let them get past the opener before calling it a failure.

I think you all live in a little bubble where you actually believe everyone around you hated it or something. Grow up.

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Dude I'm with you on this one. It's insane to be so entitled that people think the developers have to do this. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Not everything is going to be amazing all the time and you don't deserve compensation for not getting a 10/10 story/game. Yoshi-P has literally stated that the goal behind 7.0 is to set up FFXIV for the next decade of the games lifespan (assuming it continues to be popular for that long).

I think they've done an amazing job overall. People are acting like this was WoW shadowlands level of bad or something. Please, give it, and give yourselves some rest.

My only problem with the “it’s setting up a new saga” is really the only plot point you can reasonably take forward from dawntrail is the key. Everything else is basically closed or resolved. Tural is safe and stable. Alexandria still has some lingering points but not really ones you can take forward for years to come as they require being in Alexandria and they have already finished with the leaders of Alexandria; unlike say the WOD

The key definitely feels like it could be used as another azem’s crystal (basically doing whatever the story needs at the time because we are Azem) but that doesn’t feel like a meaningful point to base the entirety of the progression of DT on. Like we got azem’s crystal in amurot but it’s not like the entirety of the plot threads introduced in ShB focused on the crystal. But in DT what else do they have to pull forward

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Originally Posted by Pantheouns

Dude I'm with you on this one. It's insane to be so entitled that people think the developers have to do this. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Not everything is going to be amazing all the time and you don't deserve compensation for not getting a 10/10 story/game. Yoshi-P has literally stated that the goal behind 7.0 is to set up FFXIV for the next decade of the games lifespan (assuming it continues to be popular for that long).

I think they've done an amazing job overall. People are acting like this was WoW shadowlands level of bad or something. Please, give it, and give yourselves some rest.

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Are you able to provide your thoughts on what they did amazing overall? Because if you like it because you like it, doesn't really make for a good argument and it just makes it become an argument with an idiot and it becomes a waste of time like how that one saying about never argue with a stupid person because xyz. The healers have already given their argument, the people also gave an argument about the voices, terrible MSQ experience in DT, and so on. So please, I think it would be beneficial to give detailed reasons to why DT was good. This is a paid product, and people who have paid are able to be angry about the quality given to them... especially considering the false advertisement of Krile, Erenville, and a vacation to worshipping Wuk Lamat instead.

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Originally Posted by cutestfox

FFXIV has always been the story MMO. And you don't get why people are upset?
You've been here for a long time, so you know this already. Maybe you're being dishonest?

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story is still the least part, that this game needs to offer. Its an mmorpg, not an offline title, that only has story to bind people
This game has 1000 other things to keep people play. It doesnt matter if the story is bad or not, if all the actual content makes people login

the raids and upcoming content look very promising so far tho. I couldnt care less if wuk lmao was annoying or not :shrug:

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Originally Posted by fioravictorine

I very much doubt he will address it directly, Yoshi-P is like a PR master

He'll probably just say something along the lines of, 'We've heard some player feedback and are working on improving in the future. Moving on...'

Basically normal corpo-speak

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I doubt even that unless the chat is spamming stuff, he probably won't speak about the blunders till DT is closing off and someone gets a 1 on 1 with him and "the future of FFXIV" or something

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

story is still the least part, that this game needs to offer. Its an mmorpg, not an offline title, that only has story to bind people
This game has 1000 other things to keep people play. It doesnt matter if the story is bad or not, if all the actual content makes people login

the raids and upcoming content look very promising so far tho. I couldnt care less if wuk lmao was annoying or not :shrug:

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You are delusionnal if you think there isn't a significant part of the playerbase that is here only for the MSQ. That's basically why nearly 95% of the game can be done solo, without having to interract with anyone.

Raid are being done during the next month of the MSQ release patch by those kind of players (and mostly only for the story in it).
But farming, crafting, housing, pvp, events or RP alltogether aren't much compared to the MSQ in how it attract players.

It doesn't matter if there is "1000 other things" to do if factually most doesn't care of it. It's enough for the game to continue working between patches, but the MSQ is the only reason why FFXIV is still a thing (by a thing I mean a successful game, it could still exist but with far less content or just being like FFXI).

ARR is one of the biggest problem to attract new players, with it's reputation to be "mediocre" at best, before Heavensward or Shadowbringers being the best of what the game have to offer.
If Dawntrail end up with the same reputation (and it seems to be the case to be honest, maybe even worse), it's a disaster for Square Enix. An MMORPG can just be successful with it's current playerbase, there are always people stopping for many reasons, there is a need for new players.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

story is still the least part, that this game needs to offer. Its an mmorpg, not an offline title, that only has story to bind people
This game has 1000 other things to keep people play. It doesnt matter if the story is bad or not, if all the actual content makes people login

the raids and upcoming content look very promising so far tho. I couldnt care less if wuk lmao was annoying or not :shrug:

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This. I couldn't care less about the story if they focus on the content instead this expansion and deliver on that, the MSQ is probably not even 5% of my time spent in the game.

Just look at Stormblood, mediocre MSQ but it delivered on both content and gameplay which makes people remember it as one of the best expansions.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

Simple question, what actions will the team announce at the next live letter to try and repair the DT story writing?

Replacing one person as the msq writer isn't the complete answer by any means. The whole team must have reviewed, discussed and finally approved this msq over a lengthy period as a good enough product for the playerbase.

So, what next Yoshi P? Carry on as we are or announce revisions?

The next live letter will be very interesting.

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There's nothing to "try and repair" except your poor reading comprehension, and by now that's a task far outside the qualifications and ability of YoshiP.

At least you'll still play the game either way.

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Originally Posted by Volgia

That's not damage, that's just divisive opinions, and the MSQ isn't the only measure of an expansion. Endwalker had a good story, and it was to me the worst expansion contentwise. I almost didn't get Dawntrail because I thought we would have more of the same. Did people look back at Stormblood and Lyse and say "will Yoshi-P please address the irreparable damage this expansion has given the FF brand?"

Like I'm having a blast playing through Dawntrail, especially looking forward the raid scene next month.

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It's damage because it's a bad MSQ in a game in which the MSQ is mandatory which means it's a colossal barrier to entry. Although you're liking it, you're in the vast minority. Even people who have gave positive reviews have mainly stated the MSQ is terrible but the rest of the game is good. Overall it's been pretty well accepted that this MSQ was not good.

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Originally Posted by Zuccubus

"Damage to the brand" is such an overblown exaggeration lol. It wasn\\'t great, but it was better than both arr and stormblood. They also had an insanely tough act to follow after shb and ew, especially since they need to restart more or less. Also it\\'s looking like we may get the best savage raid series in the game, along with the other massively improved content.

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We aren't talking about ff14 in a bubble, we are talking about square in general and final fantasy being what ppl think when they head square. And so far they haven't been doing well, ff7rebirth hasn't done well, ff16 didn't do well enough, other projects have bombed hard at square and now a lot of negative reception for their cash cow. It's not a good trend and squares financial situation is reflecting that