Please dont bring back Relic Quest Zones

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Thats such a terrible backwards ass solution to the problem and also something that nobody would ever do because the BA discord group already exists. The problem is that its so gated like that and we're praising it as if its such a good design for an MMO content.

Again the fact that the devs learned their lesson in Bozja raids to not do that proves my point. Why are there no BA groups in the PF? (thats are not privated) Oh thats right because of shit like that.

GOOD GAME DESIGN <claps>

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Your argument is you need to work with the discord to do content even if you don’t want to join the discord, well if you adamantly refuse to talk you actually don’t, it’s just another solution, again I’m never going to view talking to a discord as a bad thing in an MMO;

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Someone managed to do the MSQ 5 times? Once in a while I want an alt to do it a 2nd time, but then I remember how much filler there is and I can't even do it a second time lol.

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The poster above you did, and the funniest thing is that he's saying that bozja/eureka are too grindy and have no "purpose", but yet doing the MSQ multiple times somehow has a purpose to him

bit weird if you ask me

Counterpoint, I have the most fun in this game doing Save the Queen stuff, and also think it's probably the content truest to the MMO goal of having people play together.

I lead a discord community that runs anyprog pug raids into Delubrum Reginae (Savage), and even though it's old content people are coming in all the time and we run DRS once a week. It's a lot of fun in my opinion, and the tension that comes from having to prepare lost actions, reraiser and pure essence and go in and get as far as one can makes it feel like every foray into the dungeon is meaningful and challenging.

I'm hoping they make more content like this. I happen to think they hit a decent balance for farming required stuff in Save the Queen... maybe a few more places to get fragments of resolve and fragments of sagacity but otherwise fun.

Not everyone's gonna like all pieces of content, but Save the Queen will hold a special place in my heart just by being challenging and requiring a lot of people--the communities that form to challenge and set up prog pipelines for this content are magical to me.

-Nacl

I think bozja was okay except the timeworn artifact. The drop rate in potd was terrible on floor 51-60. I had to dc travel to finally find delubrum on pf. I wish that thing was soloable like variant dungeon. I don't care if se makes another special zone, just don't repeat the cancer called timeworn artifact.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

And oh the front of “can I just get some buddies together and do a run” yes you can, just ask the discord for your server, they will make space if you want to do a private run, again it’s not hard to ask. This is what eureka is

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Atelier has a good point about Bozja raids versus Eureka. They don't seem to have repeated this exact design. Yes, they have DRS but that's something where you gather people and queue up for it not the succession of events needed to unlock BA. I very much doubt it was SE's intention that a group of players in Discords have this much power and authority over content that SE developed. They want players to try their content and have been doing more things to encourage the ability to PUG. Look at the raid planner they're going to add for 7.0. That will be a huge assistance to PUG raiding since organized groups were already using tools like that. I find it unlikely even if they did bring back field content that we'd see something with the complexity in level of access that BA has.

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

I think bozja was okay except the timeworn artifact. The drop rate in potd was terrible on floor 51-60. I had to dc travel to finally find delubrum on pf. I wish that thing was soloable like variant dungeon. I don't care if se makes another special zone, just don't repeat the cancer called timeworn artifact.

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TBH the only issues with the Bozja relics IMO were how wonky the item quantity requirements were, especially when paired with some of the drop rates. They were nice enough to let you flag a weapon at each step to sort of make an assembly line but certain steps ended up bottlenecking the whole thing slowing the overall process down.

The ideal solution is to just have two options for the exploratory-zone based relics. This is all one big example, from here on, please consider that when I say a zone like 'Pagos' or 'Bozja', you could also substitute 'Dawntrail Exploratory Zone' and the same logic applies. So, consider how much people hated Pagos on release. Now consider, what if you could get the mats to make the relic via an alternative route, by spending tomes? We now have a trade where you can spend Pagos Crystals to get Louhi Ice. So if that was in from the start, Pagos Crystals cost 5 tomes each, and Frosted Protean Crystals cost, say, 50 each, you need 500 Pagos (2500 tomes), 31 Frosted (1550 tomes), and 5 Louhi Ice bought with 250 Pagos (1250 tomes). A total of 5300 tomes for one relic, for that step. Sounds like a lot, but if it were Poetics to spend, not 'current uncapped tomes' (or better yet, a mix of the two), then it's a lot easier because there is so many more sources of Poetics. You'd be incentivized to do older content in roulettes IE MSQ or Alliance, and you could level any 50+ class and still 'earn' towards the relic on your main. Even if it were 'current uncapped tome', 5300 is a lot, but it's 'an option' that currently does not exist for those who would want to 'avoid doing the exploratory zone content'. Also, now that Eureka gives Poetics (since it's old content), such a system would allow (later once it's not relevant anymore) for a player to earn progression by doing Eureka, and also at the same time, earn progression by doing Eureka and earning tomes from it, which can then be spent on the same mats they're already getting, double-dipping progression to speed up the grind (and this is fine because it's no longer relevant). In effect, the content wouldn't even need to have patches like 'the amount of gooberdoo's dropped by X content has been increased from 1 to 3'. The changeover of 'tome that is not used' to 'Poetics, which are used to buy mats' would function AS that 'make it easier patch'.

Unbind the relic from the level progression in the zones, and allow people to fully complete a relic without setting foot in the zone if they so choose. Bozja was so close to having this right, but it forced people to go into the content, and level up, to unlock access to the quest that would allow the next upgrade step.

I mean I get you don't like these zones, but people do. If the relic is tied to it, I won't need to rush, but I also won't mind. I don't HAVE to do it to complete savage or ultimate, nor to do fishing or PvP, or just chill in limsa.

Having some incentive for those of us not super keen is a good thing to help fill the content out even more, and if you really don't like it you don't have to have the items.

In saying that, please no wal-mart last step items for relics please. I can't get over some of the 535 resistance items. . .

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

How about I want good content that doesnt overstay its welcome and not be padded out. Thanks for being part of the problem

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This makes me convinced xiv players don't like mmos.

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Originally Posted by Teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeej

it's probably the content truest to the MMO goal of having people play together.

requiring a lot of people--the communities that form to challenge and set up prog pipelines for this content are magical to me.

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This is also why Yoshi-P wanted to kill off forays. The entire trajectory of the game is going towards being single-player. Per the latest live letter, the entire free trial up to level 70 is fully single-player and is advertised as being playable "alone or with groups". Just like Variant dungeons, just like Island Sanctuary. He doesn't want cooperative play in his game anymore, except for that weird little raiding tidbit that he keeps stuffed in the corner.

And part of me thinks he doesn't care about the "magic" either. It's all style and no substance because FFXIV is on the tail end of its lifespan and he has other things to do. No time to think about "core gameplay structures" and "gameplay philosophy".

The only good part of FFXIV in the drought is when people come together to play old content again, but even that will get boring after a while.