Myths of the Realm Rewritten

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Are you referring to me and my derail that lasted all of three posts?

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Were you the one that posted the cat art? If so, partially. I'm not so much pointing fingers as observing that someone calling for a derail being followed immediately by a successful derail, even if it wasn't derailed into what the person asking for it requested, comes off quite as quite pointed when one considers the seemingly collaborative effort of some other posters to shut down Aveyond threads.

I'm not interested in the "why" to be honest. Like the dude, don't like him. Agree or disagree. It's irrelevant to me. I'm just making note of what I've seen occurring, and not just in this particular thread.

Last message and then I'm done with this discussion. People are tired cause there is no debate to be had. He wants an echo chamber and that's it. So if there isn't going to be a discussion...they will turn it into something else. I don't blame them.

They also have fun with it. They know he won't change and so they know exactly what is going on just by seeing the name. OP has a playbook...so does the rest.

Think of Gambits on FFXIV

1. OP makes a post complaining

2. Few echo chamber

3. The rest are sick of it so they change it.

Rinse and repeat. There is no step 2 or 3 without step 1.

You want a change? Alter step 1. Force a new gambit.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Last message and then I'm done with this discussion. People are tired cause there is no debate to be had. He wants an echo chamber and that's it. So if there isn't going to be a discussion...they will turn it into something else. I don't blame them.

They also have fun with it. They know he won't change and so they know exactly what is going on just by seeing the name. OP has a playbook...so does the rest.

Think of Gambits on FFXIV

1. OP makes a post complaining

2. Few echo chamber

3. The rest are sick of it so they change it.

Rinse and repeat. There is no step 2 or 3 without step 1.

You want a change? Alter step 1. Force a new gambit.

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I was gonna make a point about how I TRIED to have discussion, I was the first post in the thread after Aveyond's first, but after returning to the front page, I noticed my original post in this thread got deleted? I'm not sure why, and I'm not seeing like, a message telling me about it? So... uhh... Hi mod, whoever/wherever you are, not sure why you deleted my post but okay.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Last message and then I'm done with this discussion. People are tired cause there is no debate to be had. He wants an echo chamber and that's it. So if there isn't going to be a discussion...they will turn it into something else. I don't blame them.

They also have fun with it. They know he won't change and so they know exactly what is going on just by seeing the name. OP has a playbook...so does the rest.

Think of Gambits on FFXIV

1. OP makes a post complaining

2. Few echo chamber

3. The rest are sick of it so they change it.

Rinse and repeat. There is no step 2 or 3 without step 1.

You want a change? Alter step 1. Force a new gambit.

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Isn't that just helping Aveyond, if you think about it? People that really dislike the dude/his posts would be better served by just not engaging. Mind you, I'm not saying this in the "lololo silence the dissenters" sense, I'm being completely genuine. What this actually does is keep pushing the post count, which in turn keeps people coming back to the thread for more, which in turn means Aveyond will continue to accrue upvotes over time and gain more of those dumb participation tro--I mean forum medals.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

I was gonna make a point about how I TRIED to have discussion, I was the first post in the thread after Aveyond's first, but after returning to the front page, I noticed my original post in this thread got deleted? I'm not sure why, and I'm not seeing like, a message telling me about it? So... uhh... Hi mod, whoever/wherever you are, not sure why you deleted my post but okay.

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As much as morbid curiosity demands I ask wtf was in the post, I won't. Posting whatever it was they took down a second time is liable to bring some unwanted attention your way.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I'm not interested in the "why" to be honest. Like the dude, don't like him. Agree or disagree. It's irrelevant to me. I'm just making note of what I've seen occurring, and not just in this particular thread.

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You too are contributing to it right now. Focusing this hard on this particular conversation than contributing to the thread as it sounds like you intend?

Honestly...

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Last message and then I'm done with this discussion. People are tired cause there is no debate to be had. He wants an echo chamber and that's it. So if there isn't going to be a discussion...they will turn it into something else. I don't blame them.

They also have fun with it. They know he won't change and so they know exactly what is going on just by seeing the name. OP has a playbook...so does the rest.

Think of Gambits on FFXIV

1. OP makes a post complaining

2. Few echo chamber

3. The rest are sick of it so they change it.

Rinse and repeat. There is no step 2 or 3 without step 1.

You want a change? Alter step 1. Force a new gambit.

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it's this, Absimiliard. People can't have a conversation with people who are so reductive, inflexible and restricted in their views. One thing would be if they'd keep it to themselves in specific threads and so on and so forth. But the fact that he does this so often feels intentional. People have given him an answer months ago. He could have changed, but didn't. And after a while, people just stop caring overall. You'll see people derail, you'll see people turn it into a lighthearted foolish thread. And I'm sorry but I'm sure plenty of the people who do so are doing it end up finding the derail far more pleasant and sometimes even more constructive than answering OP directly.

There's no grand cabal against him. No coordinated movement.

Just a collective sigh from people who read his threads and have become tired of the same-old same-old time and time again and know there will be no discussion if they take it at all seriously.

I agree with Awesome, in a way: just ignore him. He's not worth engaging with, and derailing the threads is just not going to work. It won't change his mind, it won't change his opinions, it won't change his attitude, and it certainly won't change people's outlook toward him.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Isn't that just helping Aveyond, if you think about it? People that really dislike the dude/his posts would be better served by just not engaging. Mind you, I'm not saying this in the "lololo silence the dissenters" sense, I'm being completely genuine. What this actually does is keep pushing the post count, which in turn keeps people coming back to the thread for more, which in turn means Aveyond will continue to accrue upvotes over time and gain more of those dumb participation tro--I mean forum medals.

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People keep trying to give this advice regarding troll threads and certain other posters, but people just don't do it. I think some of the people here have given up trying at this point and just go for entertainment value lol. IIRC this is my first time actually really engaging in an Aveyond thread myself.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You too are contributing to it right now. Focusing this hard on this particular conversation than contributing to the thread as it sounds like you intend?

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I mean, I was having a good time with the god debate. It was interesting, and it managed to stay on track enough to avoid risk of getting nuked by forum mods for being "off topic," although that's a pretty low risk as it is. Then that too got swerved into a tree.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Isn't that just helping Aveyond, if you think about it? People that really dislike the dude/his posts would be better served by just not engaging. Mind you, I'm not saying this in the "lololo silence the dissenters" sense, I'm being completely genuine. What this actually does is keep pushing the post count, which in turn keeps people coming back to the thread for more, which in turn means Aveyond will continue to accrue upvotes over time and gain more of those dumb participation tro--I mean forum medals.



As much as morbid curiosity demands I ask wtf was in the post, I won't. Posting whatever it was they took down a second time is liable to bring some unwanted attention your way.

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I'll say it again, because it wasn't even bad.

I asked Aveyond why the gods HAD to be fighting, and what was wrong with them testing us for whatever mysterious reason. I then predicted that he'd ignore me/anyone who disagrees with him (which, gasp, he did lolll).

That was it. That's the tweet.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

1. OP makes a post complaining

2. Few echo chamber

3. The rest are sick of it so they change it.

Rinse and repeat. There is no step 2 or 3 without step 1.

You want a change? Alter step 1. Force a new gambit.

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You say this as if step 1 is objectively bad. The forums are designed for feedback. Just because you don't like his feedback, doesn't mean the feedback is the problem. Your response to his feedback only serves to boost its reach.

If you desire a different discussion because you hate this one, go make your own thread about whatever it is that you want to discuss. (And no, this doesn't mean a passive aggressive 'prediction' thread that is designed to poke fun at 'you know who') For example, if you wanna post cat pictures and talk about those, why not make a cat picture thread. (Actually, I think there already is one for cat pictures) And if the forums doesn't allow for the type of discussion you want, you have your discord that you advertised a while back, no? Talk about cat pictures over there with your friends. And if you don't like Aveyond specifically, just ignore him. It seems to work pretty well for him when he just ignores you.

So the question is this: If your problem is that you don't like the discussion going on here, why are you still here trying to shut down this thread instead of going to find the discussion you actually want? I don't want to assume the worst, but it seems that the issue isn't that the discussion you want doesn't exist, but that the discussion you want to destroy does.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Isn't that just helping Aveyond, if you think about it? People that really dislike the dude/his posts would be better served by just not engaging.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

I then predicted that he'd ignore me/anyone who disagrees with him (which, gasp, he did lolll).

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Like I said, don't give the man a reason to not respond and maybe he will. I've noticed that a lot of the people who complain that Aveyond doesn't respond to them have all given him reasons not to bother with them. I would honestly not be shocked if he has some or all of you on his ignore list and doesn't bother to click the button to see your post. Quite frankly, I've been tempted to do the same on numerous occasions.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I mean, I was having a good time with the god debate. It was interesting, and it managed to stay on track enough to avoid risk of getting nuked by forum mods for being "off topic," although that's a pretty low risk as it is. Then that too got swerved into a tree.

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I was too. I'd rather see peoples' opinions tho, bc my thought really did just stop at "We're going to need to draw a line on what can go into the definition of a deity and what should be left out", but... that's about it. Because there's really nothing more to this than just "Oh here we go again". Even if you try to use logic, do you know how easy it is for people to just waltz in, drop insane troll logic and people running it down?

No one's ever going to change OP. It's hard to try and have meaningful contributions to their thread when the mere assumption at the start is already incredibly flawed and made to be inflammatory. So whatever discussion happens here, I know it won't end well.

People asked him stuff directly to try and engage in conversation. I know Zebraoracle did, I know Zanarkand-Ronso does... no dice. And that's how it's always been. Whenever there is further interaction, it's to double down, nothing more. But if you want to make the observation that this sort of reaction looks coordinated, then you should at least understand why it happens in the first place. Even if you're not interested in the "why". For a lot of people, it's already been established why. Every thread that ends poorly of his goes down the same path, with people wondering why others derail and hate on OP, and others either defending themselves or defending the behaviour. It's really not rocket science at this point; it's just as repetitive as people derailing the thread, which in turn is equally as repetitive as OP themself.