What keeps you playing?

I think online multiplayer is a toxic wasteland and organizing gaming time with friends feels like trying to move a mountain. This game, for the most part, seems to be the exception. I get a lot of runs that are pretty chill with the occasional friendly banter and I like that. Sure it's not perfect; there are people who insist on being obnoxious or others who just gotta drag the mood down but it feels a lot more muted compared to other games I've tried.

Don't get me wrong, I'll drop my sub and play something else if I get bored. Only so many times I can run the same content before I need a break. I've got a huge backlog I need to tackle anyway.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

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Former WoW players try not to stifle criticism of XIV by bringing up WoW every 5 seconds challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

Raid, and random friends going, "Hey, wanna go do a run of X?"

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Former WoW players try not to stifle criticism of XIV by bringing up WoW every 5 seconds challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

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Don't folks have a right to compare a product to another? Take a man that's been drinking water in drops, and give him a water fountain, he's bound to tell you the water fountain is better than drinking drops of water. I don't know what your gripe is with someone referencing wow, and saying how much better XIV is to the former Genre Titan, but I think that the Drop Drinkers that used to play WoW have merit describing how much better the Fountain of XIV is.

Edit: Keep in mind, yes, XIV has flaws that need to be worked on, but it's still comparatively good.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

and rightly so. Take a man that's been drinking water in drops, and give him a water fountain, he's bound to tell you the water fountain is better than drinking drops of water. I don't know what your gripe is with someone referencing wow, and saying how much better XIV is to the former Genre Titan, but I think that the Drop Drinkers that used to play WoW have merit describing how much better the Fountain of XIV is.

Edit: Keep in mind, yes, XIV has flaws, but it's still comparatively good.

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All of the posts I've seen from you have had you bringing up WoW unprompted in threads criticizing bad aspects of this game. I don't care about "Torghast" or Blizzard or WoW, I don't play them, I never will and they're absolutely irrelevant to me and myriad number of people on these forums who do not play WoW. Please stop trying to use a game that you used to play and clearly don't like anymore as a cudgel to stifle criticisms people have towards this game. I'm happy that you were able to quit something that was clearly toxic for you, perhaps it's time to let it stop living rent free in your mind to the point where you're constantly bringing it up in the Final Fantasy XIV forums to white knight for SE.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

All of the posts I've seen from you have had you bringing up WoW unprompted in threads criticizing bad aspects of this game. I don't care about "Torghast" or Blizzard or WoW, I don't play them, I never will and they're absolutely irrelevant to me and myriad number of people on these forums who do not play WoW. Please stop trying to use a game that you used to play and clearly don't like anymore as a cudgel to stifle criticisms people have towards this game. I'm happy that you were able to quit something that was clearly toxic for you, perhaps it's time to let it stop living rent free in your mind to the point where you're constantly bringing it up in the Final Fantasy XIV forums to white knight for SE.

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Relax.


I am not stifling anything. As I said before, XIV has problems that need to be addressed, but to discredit the experiences of quality (or lack thereof) in order to point out that it's objectively better seems like an attempt to muffle anything good one has to say about the current game in question. I'm sorry if me bringing it up causes problems for you, but an observation in corrupt business practices, retroactive in-game censorship of content, and inadvisable merges/business partnerships is relevant to past, present, and future quality products (Especially since Sony is contemplating on buying Square Enix).

I'll say what I want, and just like the thread suggests, I'll talk about why I play this game, even if it means comparing the quality of a product to a previous one. As a customer, I have the right to do so. You're free to utilize that nifty ignore option.

It's good to take breaks from the game from time to time. I just recently it feels from a 3 week break after getting my battle classes to 90. I came back to finish up my DoH! First time I've maxed all classes which was a good goal to set. I also since Stormblood have streamed the game on and off of random things I do from weeklies and dailies to farming and raiding whatever. I usually give myself short term goals and long term ones as well. A good short term is doing Wonderous Tails and doing handful of it not undersized. I do that because I like to either relive a dungeon or check out who else is playing. Long term goal is to get the all the extreme mounts every expansion before next. I've been doing that since ARR really but have been streaming it on and off since Stormblood. Took me 396 runs in Stormblood going by totems, 581 runs in Shadowbringer and currently I'm sadly at 298 Totems(99+99+100) combined for Endwalker which is 248 runs. This long term goal is about a 2 year investment but I normally play almost everyday for about 4 to 5 hours at a time since I came back.

TLDR: Short term goals,long term goals, breaks and streaming.

As said in a previous post in this thread, it's the MSQ that kept/keeps my attention.

However, there are various other aspects of the game that I think are great in comparison to a previous MMO I played (which I won't bother naming as don't want a discussion about that).

FFXIV isn't perfect, and am not saying it is. However I moved to FFXIV when the aforementioned game's anti-consumer, mobile-gaming-cash-grab mentality overwhelmed everything else. When you play a MMO that produces nothing more than sleazy gamble-boxes (sleazy because they outright refuse to comment on the odds of winning anything of value, which seem appallingly low) and £300 'bundles' at the expense of new content (one new episode, worth about 30 - 45 minutes of play time, every five months ) it's time to move on.

After playing a game that became what that one has, FFXIV has been a breath of fresh air.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Savage, EX, PvP, Aglaia, mount farm, glam.

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One class in wow and Gw2 has more variation with their talents and gear tier sets than any job in FF14, the Zones in wow, gw2 and lost ark feel like places, and FF14 feels like zones. If you are on Rp servers, there are plenty of people in WoW zones, and you can see the people RP throughout the world. Same with Guild Wars 2. Choice in MMO stories happens all the time, and even the Sylvanus questline offered more choice than anything in FF14. The Elpis storyline did not need to happen, and Metion was a pointless villain.

If you have to tell your players to leave because the company can't provide compelling long-term content, it means the company's capabilities are poor. The team has pushed further away from an MMO into a linear narrative RPG that focuses more on the single-player experience, which is incredibly disappointing and alienates MMO players who want the MMO experience. People have to wait ten years for basic revamps and 2+ yrs for basic customisation.

Content is geared to the worst players in the game with the homogenisation of healers and tanks. Furthermore, the content has been simplified massively under the guise of jank when it was basic positional, debuffs, resistance and environmental to the difference between damage types.

At this point :

- a few frontlines a day, always enjoyed them and RW (now dead), even more so now;
- savage reclear when it doesn't take an hour to find tanks;
- maybe I'll get back to HoH solo on sage, maybe.