What’s the point of Physick for Summoner?

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Originally Posted by Exodus-E

Just a shame that you have to wait for a good while before you can even use it (as in, reaching that part of your rotation).

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I don't think that's necessarily an issue, but it's an issue that you can only use it during that window.
I think summoning Phoenix could perhaps give you a stack of Rekindle that you could use without Phoenix summoned, having a heal tied to a small and rarely occuring part of your rotation is a bit strange tho ( rarely in the sense it makes up for one portion of the big loop ).

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I don't think that's necessarily an issue, but it's an issue that you can only use it during that window.
I think summoning Phoenix could perhaps give you a stack of Rekindle that you could use without Phoenix summoned, having a heal tied to a small and rarely occuring part of your rotation is a bit strange tho ( rarely in the sense it makes up for one portion of the big loop ).

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That could work, yeah.
But then, it'd have to be separated from Astral Flow, given that you'd (potentially) lose it if you used any other summon afterwards.
Maybe if it (temporarily) replaced Physick while you had said stack, instead?

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Originally Posted by Exodus-E

That could work, yeah.
But then, it'd have to be separated from Astral Flow, given that you'd (potentially) lose it if you used any other summon afterwards.
Maybe if it (temporarily) replaced Physick while you had said stack, instead?

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Yes your suggestion would actually make Physicks presence a little bit less weird imo.
I mean Physick would still be pretty useless xD.
But I still like the idea of Physick turning into Rekindle after you've summoned Phoenix.

Just on a thematic level it's like your healing magic gets empowered by Phoenix.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

I remain unconvinced, Caster DPS should focus on dealing damage.

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I don't mean that people should actively use Physick to "help with healing", much like RDMs never Vercure, or Paladins never Clemency under that same scope. These spells are very situational actions that have niche uses - that doesn't mean they're useless.

It's not like asking to design a completely new spell. Physick is already there, it just needs a stat adjustment to fall under this niche category usabiity, because as it is it's literally useless in any kind of situation, let it be soloing or helping with a struggling 4-man group while the healer gets back on their feet.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I don't mean that people should actively use Physick to "help with healing", much like RDMs never Vercure, or Paladins never Clemency under that same scope. These spells are very situational actions that have niche uses - that doesn't mean they're useless.

It's not like asking to design a completely new spell. Physick is already there, it just needs a stat adjustment to fall under this niche category usabiity, because as it is it's literally useless in any kind of situation, let it be soloing or helping with a struggling 4-man group while the healer gets back on their feet.

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Literally all that needs to happen is Physick be based off Intelligence, not Mind; they may not even have to change the potency much to match Red Mage, but if they did, it wouldn’t be that dramatic of a change since Summoner’s potency is 400 while Red Mage’s is pretty close at 350.

I would pay to see this brought up in an official interview sometime; no content creators I know ever seem to bring Physick up for Summoner.

Has the director ever actually specified why the heal spells for Summoner versus Red Mage are based off different stats? I’m still weirded out by Physick being on his job layout while he was demoing the newer Summoner before Endwalker’s release if it’s not intended to ever be used outside of maybe the first dungeon instance and almost nothing else. I wonder what it would take for this to at least be addressed during a live letter.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

Has the director ever actually specified why the heal spells for Summoner versus Red Mage are based off different stats? I’m still weirded out by Physick being on his job layout while he was demoing the newer Summoner before Endwalker’s release if it’s not intended to ever be used outside of maybe the first dungeon instance and almost nothing else. I wonder what it would take for this to at least be addressed during a live letter.

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Because SMN and SCH used to share all their class abilities, which made it an absolute nightmare to balance (you can't touch one without touching the other). In Stormblood this became a moot point because Scholar got their own exclusive version of Arcanist abilities. Literally the only thing SCH inherits from ACN anymore is the raise. Everything else is SCH exclusive, including basic Ruin and Physick.

And yet they never bothered to fix the ACN, and thus SMN, version of the spell to be useful for more than 20 minutes of your total playtime. People have asked, frequently, but the question is always dodged in official QnA's and content creators don't care about about a literal joke button to waste one of their questions with YoshiP over.

all i will say is it would be nice to give physick a decent boost to healing because i use the job from time to time to get nutty sacks from hunts.

To be honest, I don't think keeping the physick on the summoner is a solution, since this spell exists it's particularly useless after the first 20 levels.

And despite all the requests that the community made about this spell, they never adapted it, despite the loss of dps that this generates when used in a battle, I think that to have kept the physick despite the summoner rework is a terrible mistake by the developers, and I'm not sure that adding more healing to the summoner in the future is a convincing solution for fix it.

I really love the idea of Phoenix giving you a buff that makes your next Physick do decent healing. I'd also love to be able to choose between Phoenix and Bahamut at the beginning of a fight, but I'm not sure how well that would work if one was clearly superior to have up during your two minute bursts.