Lore Forum Decorum - Just What is Meant by Good/Bad Faith?

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm not so sure. It felt like something there hinting at what they could do to us later in MSQ. Imagine if we entered a new land, and somebody steals our body by throwing out our soul with some form of magic (similar to the Soul Extraction device), forcing us to have to use a body nearby. Any NPCs from Eorzea would instantly know it's not us in our body, but the locals would not know that. We could have an entire zone story (we'd be glamoured in the mean time) and instance without us in our body, and then get it back at the end of the zone, the locals convinced that we caused everything. It'd make for some good storytelling and give us a foe who would be difficult to fight simply because they could body hop like any Ascian, and not even the Blessing (if it is still there) could protect us. At the same time it could expand on what we were able to do in that instance where we weren't in our own body.

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Coulda woulda shoulda. That’s all i’ve been hearing since ShB. That this could happen in the future etc etc. It doesn’t change the fact that as of right now, in this expansion, it meant nothing. It did nothing. It accomplished nothing. It was a waste of time, time that could’ve been spent elsewhere to explain the many things people feel haven’t been answered either well or at all.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Coulda woulda shoulda. That’s all i’ve been hearing since ShB. That this could happen in the future etc etc. It doesn’t change the fact that as of right now, in this expansion, it meant nothing. It did nothing. It accomplished nothing. It was a waste of time, time that could’ve been spent elsewhere to explain the many things people feel haven’t been answered either well or at all.

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It meant the WoL and the player learned just how much more powerful they are compared to everybody else. It accomplished not only a sense of urgency, it also showed that if the WoL was outside of their body for long enough they could make any body as strong as their own, as seen by the end where despite being on death's door you ran and threw a sword through a Voidsent Avatar. Something that should not have been possible considering you were able to die in that body, yet made it move through force of will alone, which also heavily hinted at Dynamis considering such a thing would not have been possible with just aether.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

It meant the WoL and the player learned just how much more powerful they are compared to everybody else. It accomplished not only a sense of urgency, it also showed that if the WoL was outside of their body for long enough they could make any body as strong as their own, as seen by the end where despite being on death's door you ran and threw a sword through a Voidsent Avatar. Something that should not have been possible considering you were able to die in that body, yet made it move through force of will alone, which also heavily hinted at Dynamis considering such a thing would not have been possible with just aether.

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A sense of urgency which was completely falsified since nothing actually happened, and that’s a reoccurring problem with 14. They give us these false stakes, with the constant death flags thrown around for characters but then they turn out okay in the end. Completely undermines the severity of certain situations when only minor npcs or the antagonists are the ones to suffer.

Ah, yes. The third part of the triumverate: "people need to die for reals or I can't stay engaged." This is a proper Lore thread now.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Ah, yes. The third part of the triumverate: "people need to die for reals or I can't stay engaged." This is a proper Lore thread now.

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Nah it ain’t a proper lore thread until someone hits on Graha :p

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Nah it ain’t a proper lore thread until someone hits on Graha :p

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But isn't that an unspoken rule? XD

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Ah, yes. The third part of the triumverate: "people need to die for reals or I can't stay engaged." This is a proper Lore thread now.

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The entire narrative hinges on the idea that sundered people are better at dealing with despair and loss, and then we magically return everybody to life at the end. It's not exactly thematically fulfilling.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Ah, yes. The third part of the triumverate: "people need to die for reals or I can't stay engaged." This is a proper Lore thread now.

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It never gets any less amusing when people bring this up as some kind of point, when by far the most milked tragedy in the entire game is Haurchefants death, one that happened 6 years ago.

I'm pretty new to the lore forum, but I've been dying to talk to someone, anyone, about FFXIV since I kinda stopped using social media outside of friend servers on discord lol... so I'm hoping that the things I've said so far haven't added to the problems that people have discussed here.

People are naturally going to have differing opinions on things - sometimes opinions that they are very passionate about - and it's never fun to see people fighting or spitting vitriol at each other for disagreements, that was something that really got to me on twitter and why I just stopped using it altogether for the most part... and already there have been a number of times I've read comments from people on here that I didn't agree with but found interesting, or that I didn't agree with to start with but that ended up changing my mind about things, made me think harder about something, or made me understand something that I didn't before

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Ah, yes. The third part of the triumverate: "people need to die for reals or I can't stay engaged." This is a proper Lore thread now.

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Yep. Probably the part that makes me scratch my head the most. I can understand getting annoyed at constant fake outs, but if you NEED characters to die in order to enjoy the story, it comes off as a wee bit sociopathic. The return of the Scions at the end was set up well before hand with Azem's crystal, so its not like it was just out of left field. The whole of Ultima Thule got me, not because I believed the Scions were gone for good, but because of how each of them were able to face the despair of the various races and show them a better way and how they felt leaving you behind to carry the burden once more.

Then again, the tension for me in a story is about HOW they're going to get out of a situation, not IF they're going to get out of it.