Some Sage Discussion

Pepsis is extremely underwhelming with how weak sage shields are.

Often, a tank loses it for a single auto attack so you waste Pepsis.

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Originally Posted by NobleWinter

I really like Pepsis in particular because it changes the timing of your shielding to be more intuitive with the way a Scholar plays to avoid overwriting each other. Scholar has bigger shields so they are the logical choice to use a GCD shield for the party before damage comes out if needed. Once a cast bar for a raid wide starts a Scholar who still needs to GCD heal is going to use Emergency Tactics to transform their next Succor or Adlo into raw healing. A Sage in the same party would use Eukrasion Prognosis/Diagnosis to burst heal AFTER damage goes out to take advantage of Pepsis and convert their barriers into more healing. Emergency Tactics tells a Scholar to Shield before damage happens. Pepsis tells a Sage to Shield after because if the shields are absorbed by damage Pepsis can't be used. If you understand both toolkits you shouldn't ever be overwriting GCD shields and this entire situation assumes that both healers are completely out of oGCDs to begin with. I'm actually very pleased by the shield healers synergy. Pepsis is clever in that regard although it feels very odd for anyone coming from Scholar since it's the reverse of what your habits are.

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I still vastly prefer emergency tactics where I can pure heal on demand. Shields that are already applied to party members often better left alone instead of getting destroyed by pepsis.
Even in dungeon, the shield I pepsis'd end up making me heal harder after the next aoe damage taken. For now I only use pepsis to purposely rid of low duration shield, so I can reapply new one to the party.

After some discussion with a healer main friend, we stumbled on a dead end: what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead? Sure SCH too had a hard time but they’re not 100% hopeless to solo heal a living dead. At least on SCH I can semi-plan Emergency Tactic by having the buff active & use it within next 15s window before repeating it 2nd time for quick bursts of heals. This helped me to squeeze in two ET'd Adlo within LD's tight 9s window in addition to other existing resources (Obviously the best answer would be not to letting them proc the invuln at all, but still...)

I’d guess Zoe would be incorporated, but with what? Pepsis is hilariously weak unless you’re trying to refresh your shield’s timer when you accidentally applied the former too soon to catch incoming damage.

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Originally Posted by Miziliti

I still vastly prefer emergency tactics where I can pure heal on demand. Shields that are already applied to party members often better left alone instead of getting destroyed by pepsis.
Even in dungeon, the shield I pepsis'd end up making me heal harder after the next aoe damage taken. For now I only use pepsis to purposely rid of low duration shield, so I can reapply new one to the party.

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you can weave pepsis right after using e prognosis though?

if you need the hp you dont need the shield, and if it doesnt matter then pepsis isnt needed. its the same with emergency tactics. if you Do need the hp and the shield both sch and sage accomplish the same in 2 gcds (succor + etactics succor, or e.prognosis + pepsis + e prognosis)

i fail to understand what youre trying to say here

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

After some discussion with a healer main friend, we stumbled on a dead end: what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead? Sure SCH too had a hard time but they’re not 100% hopeless to solo heal a living dead. At least on SCH I can semi-plan Emergency Tactic by having the buff active & use it within next 15s window before repeating it 2nd time for quick bursts of heals. This helped me to squeeze in two ET'd Adlo within LD's tight 9s window in addition to other existing resources (Obviously the best answer would be not to letting them proc the invuln at all, but still...)

I’d guess Zoe would be incorporated, but with what? Pepsis is hilariously weak unless you’re trying to refresh your shield’s timer when you accidentally applied the former too soon to catch incoming damage.

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zoe pneuma is like 900 potency, and you can buff it to 1188 potency with krasis and physis. a buffed taurochole or druochole should easily finish the job after that. and even if not, you still have time to use a buffed e.diag then pepsis



read tooltips guys its not hard lol

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Originally Posted by QooEr

zoe pneuma is like 900 potency, and you can buff it to 1188 potency with krasis and physis. a buffed taurochole or druochole should easily finish the job after that. and even if not, you still have time to use a buffed e.diag then pepsis

read tooltips guys its not hard lol

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Heh, so in the end it still take as much effort as SCH. Honestly, I didn't think of using Pneuma for I've always used it for AoE healing. Granted, it's also my least touched healer. I'll gladly take your input to good use.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

After some discussion with a healer main friend, we stumbled on a dead end: what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead?

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Same as SCH honestly, hope you have resources saved up and spam DuoChloe or a Zoe > Euk/Diag > Pepsis

But if you're low on resources because the DRK didn't pre-plan the use (aka everything is going to sh!t), then yeah LD is almost always a death sentence if you're not a WHM

This pepsis discussion ..... I will add, and I may be wrong, but the game does alot of buff/debuff snapshots. Therefore, like with warrior, I would/could actually line up my mitigation(s), wait for the incoming damage animation and hit shake it off to snapshot the mitigation buff(s) as it falls off. This if course buffs the shield of shake.

With pepsis I think, and I have tried this, used it as the damage (snapshot/animation) went off triggering the heals as the shield fell off. I'll need to record the process to see if the heals truly proc (^_^). If so, it's kinda an interesting skill play (latency be damned though). Depends on the response and priority of pepsis with the server as well.

Hence, you should technically get both benefits (damage reduction/heal). Again, I have not done a formal check. If not, than yes this ability is to "clear" your shields to, in some cases, add a bigger buffed shield or to get the mobility (emergency tactics) healing of E-prgnosis.

*Stronger shields overwrite weaker ones as many probably know*

Pepsis is also well suited to testing given that the tool tip says if E-prgnosis or E-diagnosis is not on a player they do not receive healing.
I'm not logged in so I won't be able to check this for a bit.

Shields feel weak at the start of every expansion. It usually gets better with gear.

And LD is just a bad skill. It might be made better if healers constantly overcap their resources, but otherwise, it's very much a "don't use unless you have a whm" skill or your healers have a plan. And even if your healers have a plan it's probably still better to just do the mechanic properly.
It's great for blind prog though, to get that extra few seconds of footage.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

After some discussion with a healer main friend, we stumbled on a dead end: what is SGE’s answer to Living Dead?

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Frankly, it's to avoid it at all costs.

Unless if it's preplanned, it's just better to either desperately try to avoid triggering Walking Dead, or just give up on the DRK and ready a Raise. If I think that I don't stand a good chance at preventing Walking Dead from triggering, that's what I would do, as seeing Living Dead pop up on the buff bar means I'm not panicking enough.

There's simply no way if you're doing a half decent job at managing your CDs, that you'll have enough of the right ones up to recover from Living Dead on your own. It's far worse than as SCH, as the most important skill for SCH to use on Living Dead is ETactics, which has such a short CD that you'll almost never be without it when you need it. And if you have Recitation up, that's like 70% HP on a single GCD.

For SGE, if you don't have Pneuma or Durochole up, you stand no chance at recovering from Living Dead I believe. Even with one of them, it'll be a struggle to do it, and you'll be doing it while ignoring the rest of the party, so hope that nobody else needs additional healing beyond the AOEs you're using for the sake of that DRK until you've recovered a bit of your resources.